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05-05-2018, 09:52 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: CO, CA and Baja
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Can a locked exterior door still come open?
I lock all exterior storage doors before driving off. It's part of my walk-around. I'm a long time pilot. I triple check things. I say these words out loud: lock sideways (meaning it's locked) as I walk around examining the doors.
So, after driving on the road all day, I exit and at a red light, a car is honking it's horn and signaling me that something is wrong. DW opens the entry door and sees the front storage door, closest to the front entry door, is open. She slams the door shut, and I pull over.
I"m thinking maybe I didn't lock the door but see the door is locked. I try to open it and can't. I unlock it, everything looks fine, and lock it again.
I've examined the lock, experimented with it, always keep it lubed, can't find a thing wrong here. I can't pull the door open when it's locked. IT's possible to open the door, lock it while open, slam it, and it's locked.
I don't want this happening again. I might duct tape it and ask the factory for advice as I travel there next week.
Any advice or clue as to what's happening? I know I locked the door. It had to open while locked. No big bumps on the highway. 3,000 miles of road and this is a first.
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2017 Newmar Canyon Star 3710
2002 Class C Lazy Daze (26' MB)
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05-05-2018, 10:05 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
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We have a 18 LA and had a Essex that had the cabinet doors open during travel. Did adjust the latch for a tighter fit. And yes the doors can open even if the doors are locked. We go around before we leave to push the cabinet doors hard which 99% now we don't have that problem. Last time out we saw a KA with a cabinet door opening going down 10 here in California. Adjust and push hard.
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05-05-2018, 10:13 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 2,582
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All that locking the external doors does is lock the handles. Doesn't physically lock the doors to the frame. So the short answer is yes they can come open even if handles are locked.
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05-05-2018, 10:15 AM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Nor'easters Club Appalachian Campers Ford Super Duty Owner Coastal Campers
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,463
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On our Canyon Star, the door can look latched but is not, the gas shocks will keep it closed until you go over a big bump. Don't ask me how I know .
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Stewart, Brenda and kids
2008 Newmar Canyon Star 3410, now at a new home
2006 Roadtrek Versatile 210
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05-05-2018, 10:24 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Capistrano Beach, California
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I suspect the tongue of the door latch, not the lock, is the problem. Not knowing your set up, my guess is the tongue is separating from the catch or holder in the frame of the compartment due to twisting/vibration while driving. I know on my coach the tongue faces downward into a loop that is affixed to the bottom frame rail. I could easily see where if the tongue is just barely inserted into the loop, some twist or movement of the frame could cause the tongue to slip out. YMMV.
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Larry, Eileen, and Finley
2004 Alpine 36FDDS
Third motor home, first Alpine, no need for another.
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05-05-2018, 10:38 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2012
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If the frame where the latch mounts can flex enough the latch will disengage while driving. I would be looking at that as a first cut. The latch might be able to be adjusted to increase the latch bite or the frame might be able to be stiffened.
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05-05-2018, 10:45 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Tucson
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Bay doors coming open is fairly common as motorhomes flex, especially coming out of driveways. Where I work we always check the mirrors coming out of the dealership for open bays.
I forget which diesel Class A I was driving but twice I had the main entry door come open going down the interstate. Now I use the deadbolt.
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05-05-2018, 11:06 AM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club Entegra Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: AZ
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If you have compartment latch that is barely engaging when closed and locked, a flex of the frame could cause the gas struts to open it.
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Newmar 2018 Dutch Star 4369 SP
Newmar 2023 Dutch Star 4369 FL
Entegra 2025 Cornerstone 45D on order
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05-05-2018, 11:35 AM
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Registered User
Newmar Owners Club Appalachian Campers Freightliner Owners Club
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Location: Midlothian, VA
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Can a locked exterior door still come open?
Wouldn’t it be nice if Newmar actually had an indicator that a door is not closed? Ya know, like we have in cars? Trivial to add for them and can save thousands in repair costs. Basement doors are not cheap to repair. I know!!
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05-05-2018, 11:50 AM
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"Formerly Diplomat Don"
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Moorpark, Ca.
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When I read your post, the first thing that came to mind is what "Stuart W" wrote. The "U" shape bracket on the door frame probably needs some adjustment. The lock is catching, but not fully engaging, allowing the retractable latch mechanism to fully engage. It can be just barely reaching behind the "U" shaped bracket and allowing it to slip out when the coach flexes. You might want to adjust the arm out an 1/8" away from the coach body so the latch can get behind the arm fully.
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Don & Mary
2019 Newmar Dutch Star 4018 (Freightliner)
2019 Ford Raptor
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05-05-2018, 12:14 PM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Spartan Chassis
Join Date: Mar 2012
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I had that problem with my 2007 Kountry Star. Took to the RV repair center twice only to have one of the doors open a third time. Typically the same doors that had just been adjusted.
Finally, I found out the secret on mine.
I took off the plastic housing cover over the lock mechanism and discovered the lock assembly was held on by only two sheet metal screws and they were loose. This allowed the locked assembly to wiggle side to side, and ultimately forced open when going over bumps.
I applied Locktite and tightened it up. Checked all other bins and most were somewhat loose.
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Craig and Susan
Morgan Hill, CA 2007 Newmar Kountry Star 3910 towing a 1998 Ford Explorer. RVing since gas was 58 cents a gallon. Amateur Radio Operator (W6ADV) since 1962.
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05-05-2018, 01:25 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Vancouver Wash
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Could washer up the striker plate...
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05-05-2018, 01:38 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2014
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That has happened on ours when We first got it. I adjusted all the latches and made sure the U shaped bracket was adjusted so the latches were fully engaged. It hasn't happened since but I still always double check them after leaving a CG especially if we have driven over speed bumps or steep site curbs where the MH might flex a little bit.
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Mike & Charlotte
2014 Newmar Canyon Star 3610
Orange County, California
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05-05-2018, 04:26 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Charleston, WV
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For some reason, Newmar decided that on the 4311 floorplan the basement door for the pegboard bay would be hinged at the rear; i.e. a "suicide" door. Needless to say, last year the door flew open while traveling down the road and the wind pressure tore out the gas spring and the door was left rubbing against the drive wheel. A trucker pulled alongside and pointed that I had a problem so I pulled over and found the issue before I had traveled too far. Now I go around and actually push each door hard against the latch on each door to make sure each is firmly closed.
As some have said, locking the handle does nothing to ensure the door is properly closed.
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John and Mary Knight
2015 Newmar Ventana 4311 - wheelchair accessible
2015 Cadillac SRX Luxury AWD
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