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Old 05-29-2017, 10:20 PM   #1
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Question Confused about my actual GVWR

Hi everyone!

Long time lurker - finally registered to ask a question (too impatient to wait until tomorrow to ask Newmar) and I also wanted to see how common this is.

I just bought a 2017 Bay Star 3516, obviously on the F53 chassis. As my first RV, I'm quite happy - and I can already tell this is going to be a very exciting part of my life.

What puzzles me though is that on the Newmar website it clearly states that the 3516 Bay Star has a 24K chassis. However, on the sticker inside the upper kitchen cabinet it states 22K. Which would supersede which? I'm planning to do a lot of coast to coast driving so my CCC really matters.

Is this discrepancy normal? Thank you very much to anyone knowledgable and kind enough to help me figure this out. If I find out a definitive answer, I will of course post that information for the archives.
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If you give VIN # to a Ford Dealer they can tell you which chassis you have. They can run a print out of everything that came with that chassis.
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In the Newmar bag with info about the RV's systems look for the Ford MSRP sheet which has chassis info. My 2012 had that sheet.
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Thank you so much for the replies - these are really good suggestions. I looked through my Newmar case, ever piece of paper, and unfortunately the chassis papers appear to be absent. I spent my afternoon today trying to find something in there.

Running the VIN through Ford is a great idea - I will actually see if I can find some sort of online VIN decoder for Ford commercial chassis.
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When you talk to Newmar ask them for a copy of your weight sheet as it left the factory.
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Old 05-30-2017, 05:49 AM   #6
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Hi RickySpanish,
A call to Newmar is correct. A call to Ford is also a good idea. The sticker on the vehicle should be correct. The brochure says 22K and the web site says 24K. Gut feel says the sticker is correct. From a liability position the sticker would be the reference document.
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Old 05-30-2017, 06:55 AM   #7
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You should have two stickers that you need to refer to. One is a yellow body builders sticker that Newmar attaches after they finish the coach, and weight it. It will show you how much load carrying you have. The other tag is a white to slightly gray tag from Ford Motor Company. This tag is what Ford says the chassis is rated for. If it says 22,000 lbs GVWR that is what it is. Newmar can not change that rating to 24,000 lbs only Ford can.
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Hi again everyone,

Thank you all so much for the very helpful replies. I just got off the phone with the Ford/Newmar rep and found out the final answer. I have a 22K chassis. (insert expletive of shame here). Oh well.

It looks like my gut feeling was right and I will chalk this up to a very expensive newbie mistake. I was basing all of my shopping information off what the brochure and website said, 24K. Of all of the overwhelming amount of things I was trying to keep track of while shopping - assuming that the chassis would be different than advertised obviously didn't occur to me.

Last night I looked at the 2016 Bay Star catalogue online and noticed they only offered 22K chassis regardless of length that year. Sure enough, although my RV is a "2017", the chassis is a 2016 and therefore only 22K. Looks like Newmar made the switch silently sometime during the 2017 production line and didn't update all of their material. I really don't have a lot to carry in the RV, but having an extra 2K of safety sure would have been nice.

I guess the lesson here is to always, always check GVWR regardless what websites say. I feel pretty ashamed I let this happen - but I will still enjoy the heck out of this motorhome.

One good thing that came from this is it finally got me to join this very friendly and helpful community. Thank you all again very much for your help!
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Old 05-30-2017, 11:44 AM   #9
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My printed manual lists the 3516 as having a 22,000 lb chassis. the website says 24000lb. I might be wrong but I think Newmar upgraded to the 24,000 lb chassis mid year and you might have a 3516 with a 22,000 lb chassis.

That would be unfortunate since those coaches are really heave compared to the shorter versions. The 22000 lb chassis would give you a NCC of about 2200 lbs. You'd have to subtract water and people from that to get your cargo capacity. I'm guessing you'd have about 1200 to 1300 lbs left for cargo.
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Welcome to the brochure is BS ( and that isn't Bay Star ) world. When looking for our new unit we got the brochure and started jotting down what we wanted. Compared it to the web site and to the order sheet and found discrepancies. And then find out what they build is different than any information they printed. Most of the time not a big deal but can be a bit exasperating.

I think one of the problems is the brochures try to show all available options but can't take the time or space to actually say which floor plans you can get a particular option on. Just wait till you read the printed owners manual. I find the one that came with our BSS a total waste of effort.

Good thing I really like the end product.
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Ricky Spanish,
As a older newbie, who has gone through 3 coaches now. I have discarded a ton of stuff (no pun intended) that I thought that I just had to have to live in my coach. As others on this forum will tell you, look for light items, you don't need your entire wardrobe, plan your meals and shop fresh. Talk with the forum guys as to the tools needed to keep you running. Figure your family weights in and you don't have to run with a full tank of water if you aren't going to be dry camping for extended periods.
It is surprising how much you can include in say 500 lbs.
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