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BucketList · 02-24-2012, 02:57 PM

Several of you in this forum have responded to my Newmar specific questions with really very valuable insight. I am specifically interesetd in the Essex and King Aire products. In particular I really like the King Aire rear bath, full wall slide #4584 floor plan. So my question to actual owners of the Essex and King Aire lines or even those that are very familiar with these coaches............what are the things that you would like to see changed on the new 2013 model lines? Is it a design related issue, a functional problem, quality issue, would you like to see more or different features? I welcome your comments as always!

FlyingDiver · 02-24-2012, 03:34 PM

Well, what I'd like to see is the Silverleaf Glass Dash system in the KGDB. Glass Dash | SilverLeaf Electronics, Inc.

It would really help differentiate the models, because most of the differences (K2 vs K3) are not very obvious. But I don't know what it really costs, and I don't think Newmar has enough time/experience with Silverleaf to do it yet. But I can hope.

We're also not real fond of the new interior design in the KGDB - we prefer the more contemporary design from the earlier model years. The more Art Deco look just isn't us. But that won't stop us from getting one, though we might ask them to change out the cabinet handles and such.

We're going back and forth between the 4582 and the 4584 right now. We'd like the rear bath, but not sure we can deal with the reduced storage space you get with it. Decisions, decisions...

joe

Iron Man · 02-24-2012, 07:00 PM

Newmar needs to find another supplier for the windows. Hehr windows are prone to moisture leaks (after the warranty is out). I also would like to see more automation and a wireless remote to handle the coach electronics. It seems Newmar is behind the technology curve of motor homes. But wait they have 3D flat screens!

FlyingDiver · 02-24-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Man

I also would like to see more automation and a wireless remote to handle the coach electronics. It seems Newmar is behind the technology curve of motor homes.

You mean the Silverleaf controlled systems? Is there such a thing? What do the custom build companies use?

joe

Lug_Nut · 02-24-2012, 07:24 PM

Well the King Aire has just changed the front cap design, however the Essex has not. Both had the inverted mirror mount prior to the King Aire change. The Essex still has them at this time.
I would definately want lower mounted mirrors with through the windshield view on both. There are a number of reasons supporting this issue.
The DEF fill should be located on the driver side, not the passenger side. This will aid in making it far less hassle than it is already.
LED lighting inside and out as much as possible.

Other than that, either the Essex or the King Aire are a superior choice. Good luck

Peter

soricobob · 02-25-2012, 05:49 AM

In my view Newmar is more about evolution than revolution, and Silverleaf falls into the latter category. What I would like to see is: 1. Electronics like Silverleaf which can be controlled remotely; 2. Sewer/water system which do not involve a chiropractor (i.e. have the system come out with the slide); 3. No exhaust on passenger side (including water heater and dryer vent); 4. Two year warrantee (again).

FlyingDiver · 02-25-2012, 07:44 AM

Peter - the photos on the website for the 2012 Essex show the mirrors are low mounted. Am I missing something?

Bob - the Oasis exhaust is only on the passenger slide on the full-wall models, because it can't come out under the slide. I guess they could try to route it backwards, but then it would have to go all the way past the axles. That could be really tricky.

I agree on the electronics. If it had some sort of external interface, I'd be willing to write a proof of concept iOS app for them. Anyone have any contacts at Silverleaf to investigate that?

joe

Perry White · 02-25-2012, 06:21 PM

The mirrors gave a reflexion when they moved them to the top and lots of complaints,so they moved them back down.

I wish the King Aire had the Essex's ceiling.

FlyingDiver · 02-25-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Perry White

I wish the King Aire had the Essex's ceiling.

Really? The design or the materials? I much prefer the rectangular pattern in the King Aire to the curves in the Essex. To each their own. If you were buying a new KGDB, you could probably get the Essex ceiling installed.

And you're right, I really don't care for the high mirrors on our '08.

joe

Lug_Nut · 02-25-2012, 07:42 PM

Joe, You are correct, I stand corrected. The Essex 2012 does have lower mounted mirrors. Thank the designs heaven, I hope they fired the guy that ever designed the upper mount.

Perry, There were more issues than the reflection thing.

1) Reflection through the duotherm glass which was impossible to relocate for through windsheild view,
2) Power sun visors and side shades limited as they would block the mirror veiw.
3) Mirror position in line of high wind deflection causing mirrors to blow out.
4) Mirror require a ladder and agile operator to clean or adjust. (Hello, many owners are not quite that)

This was the worst design feature I have ever seen from Newmar. I complained and tried everything to change it prior to delivery. I honestly hope they fired those responsible for such poor foresight. They are lucky that this did not cause an accident that they might be liable for.

But, I love Newmar and their general design. It would concern me if they continued to employ a design team that would approve this error. Hopefully they have not as they have since corrected this in these new designs.

Newmar rocks!

BucketList · 02-25-2012, 09:17 PM

Thanks to all who have posted so far. To me the critical comments really have been minor issues and have been much less than i would have thought. So it appears that i am on the right track on considing a Newmar! One comment i have not heard so far is the lack of a Vorad cruise control system on the 2012 models. I had read other posts where this system was previously offered, but it appears has been discontinued at least in Newmar products. Does anyone know the story on why it is no longer offered?

FlyingDiver · 02-25-2012, 09:25 PM

It was briefly offered on early '08 King Aires, and maybe some Essex models. It was discontinued before we placed our '08 order. It's my understanding that there were technical issues with the implementation. I think Newmar may have thought it was too complex for them. As stated previously in this thread, Newmar really does not do cutting edge electronics very well.

joe