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Old 12-08-2019, 10:08 PM   #1
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Done deal, got myself a 3710

Well, we did the deed.....we graduated from a 5th wheel to our first motorhome, we purchased a new 2019 canyon star 3710. So far so good, the maiden voyage from the dealer , 100+ miles , no issues. Spent a little time checking things out when we got home, i have a few questions i hope you folks dont mind me asking. I know some of this has been covered in previous post, but i want to get some fresh thoughts on it.

1. I believe generator will auto start on low house battery voltage. Is this how most of you are setup to run with pets? We have a couple of dogs that we travel with in summer , and obviously worry about them if the a/c should fail or loose park power,
2. I noticed the steering seemed to wander a little, i felt like i was constantly making adjustements to steer. I also noticed some body roll when making turns. I would like it to handle a little better. I have not checked yet if it has a sway bar. Any suggestions.
3. What are some of the better tpms ( we are planning to get a toad to) I would like to know when a tire is getting low hopefully before a problem.
4. I was thinking about an entry level 4dr 4x4 jeep wrangler for a toad, i think they are about 4300lbs. ( a rubicon i believe is 4800lbs, a little too heavy for my comfort). You think i will be ok or still a little heavy at 4300lbs, i dont want the motor of the motor home to be huffin and puffin struggling going down the road.
5. When i got home with it, i started up generator, opened slides , no problem, when i closed up for the night, the living room slide would come to a stop, i would have to let up on switch, and start again. It did this 4 or 5 times, it would just stop dead and i would let go and start again. Why ? Jacks were not down, but i was pretty level. It was 28 degrees out. And is there a manual way to bring in slides should it fail?
6. Lastly, any known obvious “holes” where mice will come in, i want to do my best to rodent proof it.
7. Just remembered one more thing, as i look at motorhome it looks like it has a shorter wheel base than i thought. My concern is back end swing, is there a good rule of thumb of how much back end swing to expect when you turn and how much space to leave on the side. For instance, when i pull up to fuel pump, how far should i be from it so as not to risk hitting hit with back end swing.

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Old 12-08-2019, 10:26 PM   #2
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A lot here and I. Sure there will be plenty more but youve come to the right place.

As for your list,

1. I wouldn't leave my pets in the rig unattended on hot days in hopes that nothing malfunctions. Not worth the risk. I leave them in it long enough to go shopping, but I also have enough solar and battery to run the AC and Im not gone long enough for them to be in any danger if the thing shuts down.

2. Check out the CHF thread. Its huge but you'll get the idea in the first couple pages. Basically its a matter of relocating the bottom bar ends of the sway bar links to the other hole. Front and rear. Once you take a look it will make sense. There are several ways to do it discussed to death on that thread. The wandering and constant readjusting is just the nature of the beast. Some say they've had luck with over-sized over-priced steering stabilizers and some say they are a waste of money. Theres plenty on that subject here too. Theres also a lot of discussion on rear track bars including plans, examples and results. Worth a look.

I put Koni FSD shocks on mine and now the front is too stiff so Im putting my Bilsteins on the front. You’ll get a lot of differing opinions and suggestions here on various remedies, but one thing Id suggest is to do what ever you decide on one improvement at a time so you can really evaluate each improvement. Go slow and do the cheap things first. Like the CHF - Cheap Handling Fix.

3. Haven't pursued that. I check them daily and that seems to be good enough

4 I looked at the older 4 cylinder 2 door jeeps that weigh 3000 lbs and if I was going to tow with my Bay Star that's as heavy as Id go. I tow a 1500lb polaris ranger on a 600lb trailer and it bogs me down on the grades. But I see people towing heavier with heavier rigs and the same drive train so I guess it comes down to what you can tolerate.

5. No the slides shouldn't do that and yes they can be brought in manually. Its explained in one of the guides that comes with the coach.

6. Theres an on-going thread on mice worth looking at too

7. I just pay close attention and watch my mirrors. Its not as bad as it looks.
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As for the TPMS, there are dozens of discussions on that subject as well. My vote goes for EEZ TPMS. I liked the display and the fact the sensors have user replaceable batteries. I've been very happy with mine. Their is service is great too.
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I seem to recall some TPS devices that you can read on your smart phone which seems convenient. To be perfectly honest, I get mine to the right pressure (another area of exhaustive discussion) and then as a daily check, hit them with a hydrant wrench handle (or any heavy bar or a 26 oz framer or whatever) and then just make sure they all sound the same and have the same rebound when Im checking them. Its not precise, but its certainly good enough to detect a low tire.

I carry a compressor capable of 150psl and check the tires with a gauge weekly, or sooner if I have any reason to think its needed before that. I also have good big-rig quality extenders on the rear valve stems.

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Well, we did the deed.....we graduated from a 5th wheel to our first motorhome, we purchased a new 2019 canyon star 3710. So far so good, the maiden voyage from the dealer , 100+ miles , no issues. Spent a little time checking things out when we got home, i have a few questions i hope you folks dont mind me asking. I know some of this has been covered in previous post, but i want to get some fresh thoughts on it.

1. I believe generator will auto start on low house battery voltage. Is this how most of you are setup to run with pets? We have a couple of dogs that we travel with in summer , and obviously worry about them if the a/c should fail or loose park power,

You are talking about an AGS, Auto Generator Start. My 2017 did not come with an AGS - I had one installed by Newmar. I have the residential fridge and a Magnum inverter, which seemed to be what I needed. I also did it for the pet(s). Perhaps you rig came with one? If so it should be listed on the build/price sheet and there is an instruction book.

2. I noticed the steering seemed to wander a little, i felt like i was constantly making adjustements to steer. I also noticed some body roll when making turns. I would like it to handle a little better. I have not checked yet if it has a sway bar. Any suggestions.

Your F53 chassis has all the quirks you mentioned. There are many fixes to help. It has been mentioned the CHF, Cheap Handling Fix. Do a search here on iRV2 for CHF and read away. Many have added Sumo Springs, front and rear. This helps tremendously with body roll. There are also steering stabilizers such as Safe-T-Steer, which will help with the wander. The best thing to do from the onset is to ensure your tire pressure is correct. I believe the placard in the motor home will say 100psi - many of us run with from at 90 and rears at 95psi. Get your rig weighed and go with the tire manufacturers recommendation.


3. What are some of the better tpms ( we are planning to get a toad to) I would like to know when a tire is getting low hopefully before a problem.

Very subjective - check here on iRV2 and see what people are saying. I agree with having them as a minimum on your toad.


4. I was thinking about an entry level 4dr 4x4 jeep wrangler for a toad, i think they are about 4300lbs. ( a rubicon i believe is 4800lbs, a little too heavy for my comfort). You think i will be ok or still a little heavy at 4300lbs, i dont want the motor of the motor home to be huffin and puffin struggling going down the road.

The more you pull, the less you can "stuff" into your motor home. The more your stuff and pull, the slower you will go up hills!! Just sayin'.....! I have seen people pull amazing things with a CS. I believe the hitch limit is 5K.


5. When i got home with it, i started up generator, opened slides , no problem, when i closed up for the night, the living room slide would come to a stop, i would have to let up on switch, and start again. It did this 4 or 5 times, it would just stop dead and i would let go and start again. Why ? Jacks were not down, but i was pretty level. It was 28 degrees out. And is there a manual way to bring in slides should it fail?

Not normal. Although Newmar slides can get a little jittery when moving in or out. Perfectly normal per Newmar!! But not what your described. Call Bruce...(see below)

6. Lastly, any known obvious “holes” where mice will come in, i want to do my best to rodent proof it.

????? - Can't help here. But if you live in a mice prone area, there are many things that supposedly work to distract or get rid off. Again - I'd do a search here on iRV2 or just plain ol' Google. You Tube also has many videos for all items for your motor home.

7. Just remembered one more thing, as i look at motorhome it looks like it has a shorter wheel base than i thought. My concern is back end swing, is there a good rule of thumb of how much back end swing to expect when you turn and how much space to leave on the side. For instance, when i pull up to fuel pump, how far should i be from it so as not to risk hitting hit with back end swing.

Yes - "Tail Swing" is normal. You are well ahead of the game - - you realize you have it!!! If you watch your rear view camera - you should be able to tell when you have cleared a fuel pump area and start your turn. And use your mirrors. Always make sure you have plenty of forward maneuver space - not unlike with your 5er. And, you can always use your co-pilot to help. As you are most likely aware, many Flying Js and some Pilot stations have RV pumps, which give you room you need to make your turns....

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At this point in your new ownership - - always call Newmar for help. Nobody knows your rig like the manufacturer.

On your front drivers side window - there should be a sticker with a picture of a man. This is Bruce!! He is the Canyon Star Brand Specialist. He knows your rig well and any problems, which may occur. I would call him before I called my dealer. I say this as I would want to be a little educated before I started talking with anyone other than Newmar about my problems. But that's me!!

Also - - you have a vinyl floor - did you get runners to place under your slide rollers when retracted? If not - count the number of rollers all your slides have and have this number ready when you call Bruce. Perhaps he will send you a set on Newmar. They help protect your floor.

Hope some of this helps and welcome to the Canyon Star family...

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One thing we do for our dog. I have a Govee thermometer that connects to my iPhone via local WiFi. If we are out, I can monitor the inside temperature of the coach and set alerts if it gets too hot. This year, I also plan to install a camera so I can keep an eye on him. We will leave him in the coach, but we don’t leave for an extended amount of time and not real far away so if we do have an issue we can get back.

As far as the Jeep, you will need to subtract the amount of weight the Jeep exceeds 4,000 lbs. from your carrying capacity. However, the 3710 has one of the largest carrying capacities in the Canyon Star line. I found the carrying capacities in the brochure are way off, so use the sticker in the coach that has the actual coach weight as a starting point.

Good luck with the new coach.
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Congrats on the Canyon Star. Concur with Indy Glenn's answers. I have a shorter Bay Star and tow a 4 dr Wrangler Sahara (4300lb) with no problems. Yes, it will slow down in the mountains, but performs better than the earlier V-10's. Before your first trip, load up with the toad and get it weighed. I prefer Blue Ox tow gear and braking system, but do your research. I am doing one F53 chassis improvement at a time and will see how it helps. For me, it's the rear anti-sway bar. Next will be the rear track bar, Sumo springs and Koni shocks. Front steering stabilizer will be last. This is a personal preference and is determined by the symptoms you experience while driving. Along with the CHF's mentioned, you can spend an easy $7K to make all the handling improvements - if you pay someone else to do it.
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:50 PM   #8
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"Jukenut".....First off, congratulations.

You're going to find small issues. If you're handy fix them yourself and save the aggravation of taking it back to a dealer. I keep a pad of paper in a drawer with two lists. One list is for supplies we need or used up and the other is for any repairs or upgrades I want to do when I get home from a trip.

1. You need to check if you have AGS. I know some set theirs by voltage and some do by temp if they have pets. I don't have pets, but know that some will place a card in the window, identifying pets inside and a cell phone number.

2. Many that move from a tow vehicle to a Class A the first time, tend to oversteer. People tend to steer to points right in front of them on Class A coaches, versus looking down the road, which causes oversteering (wander). On your next few trips, try looking (focusing) farther down the road and steering to that point. I think you'll find the wandering will slow down.

There are a ton of aftermarket products to make the F53 chassis handle better. You need to get your tire pressure dialed in and make the alignment is correct. Once those are done, a track bar is one the next biggest improvement, followed by sway bars and shocks. I would go slowly and only change one thing at a time, until you're satisfied with the handling.

3. There are many brands of TPMS and most do the same thing. I bought the TST model and it has worked as advertised. I do run a repeater do to length. If you plan on a toad, don't forget to set aside about $2K or more for a tow bar and brakes. A little more or a little less depending on your ability to install the components.

4. I believe you're rated to 5K. You'll be close to the max, which may slow you down on some grades. Keep in mind how often you actually climb a grade and the few minutes you may lose.

5. You may want to call Newmar on the slide issue and see about resetting the controller.

6. I've found that Newmar has been pretty good about sealing up their coaches. I know when I try to run wiring, it's difficult to find openings between the bays and coach interior.

7. I found on the coaches that I've had with a lot of body swing.....that anytime I was running parallel to a wall or fence, within a few feet on either side, I had to really pay attention to swing.
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One thing we do for our dog. I have a Govee thermometer that connects to my iPhone via local WiFi. If we are out, I can monitor the inside temperature of the coach and set alerts if it gets too hot. This year, I also plan to install a camera so I can keep an eye on him. We will leave him in the coach, but we don’t leave for an extended amount of time and not real far away so if we do have an issue we can get back.

As far as the Jeep, you will need to subtract the amount of weight the Jeep exceeds 4,000 lbs. from your carrying capacity. However, the 3710 has one of the largest carrying capacities in the Canyon Star line. I found the carrying capacities in the brochure are way off, so use the sticker in the coach that has the actual coach weight as a starting point.

Good luck with the new coach.
We also have a camera and Temp Stick to monitor inside the rig temp and have a look-see!! We can even talk to our Airedale through the camera.......

We too have a plastic sign I found online we hang in the window of the door telling the reader we have a dog inside and it lists my cell number in case of emergency.

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Yes, we have a sign on the entry door window with our cell phone numbers. We got it at Camping World.
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Thanks to all for the great information. A great starting point for me to start learning. I really appreciate everyones input. I am so thankful for a place like this forum. I dont know how people did it years ago without places like this. I am sure i will have more questions, and hopefully one day i can contribute more and give back some of the things i learned.
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I tow a Grand Cherokee, 4,300lbs with a CS without any problems. I did add 5 Star Tuning which helps.
Unless it changes in 19, there is no auto gen start. You can add it.
I did CHF with Sumo Springs and the front end was much better
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As for the dogs, keep your ceiling fan open and on automatic, it will come on if the ac shuts off and the coach heats up. Leave a window open an inch or two.
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As for the dogs, keep your ceiling fan open and on automatic, it will come on if the ac shuts off and the coach heats up. Leave a window open an inch or two.
This is a great idea.......

The idea behind the AGS (Auto Gen Start) is if the electricity is disrupted and not powering the motor home......

An AGS will automatically start the generator and operate the AC units.

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