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plasma800 · 05-21-2014, 08:04 PM

I ran across a ventana today that was almost perfect,,,, it doesn't have the frameless windows... It has the normal sliding windows.

On the one hand, I love that I can open it and climb out if I want to (emergency), but ont he other hand, the frameless windows are pretty darn sexy! both inside and out.

Thoughts from owners?

Luv2go · 05-21-2014, 09:09 PM

I was talking to someone at Camp Newmar, they mentioned cross-ventilation was not as good with the frameless windows as they don't open as far. But, they can be left open when it rains...

cwg · 05-21-2014, 09:13 PM

I agree that they look better and are overall a plus to have. With the Essex being the first rig I have had with frameless windows, my two observations regarding them are as follows:

The scissor-arm mechanism which pushes out the pane and retracts it has several times come unglued from the glass, necessitating application of automotive epoxy or other bonding agents. This is no biggie, but a little worry some. Not all windows have had this happen but at least I am prepared to repair it myself.

The Hehr frames seem to allow moisture to seep in between the dual pane glass, which look awful over time and have to be rehabilitated or permanent etching of the glass will occur. Please understand, all windows will do this to some degree over time according to Suncoast Industries in Hudson, FL. who specialize in repairing fogged window. They are one of the largest shops for repair in the nation and they further say all manufacturers face the same problem with the way the windows are sealed... leaks will occur. Of course the framed windows leak also, but they are somewhat less expensive to repair.

One of the things I like about the frameless windows is the amount of daytime privacy they offer due to their nature. They block out a lot of heat and light transmission, and as you said, they look super.

bobandshaz · 05-21-2014, 09:19 PM

DW has heard this about frameless windows we check as we shop and they don't seem that bad
For air flow

Clayobx · 05-21-2014, 09:23 PM

They certainly do look superb! Very envious as in the Class A community the frameless windows represent higher end, more dollar coaches. But, they also don't offer the reliability and ease of maintenance. I've had both, have to go with the framed windows, they just work better. Of course JMHO!

Cypressloser · 05-21-2014, 09:27 PM

We had the frameless Hehr windows in our previous 5th wheel a Carriage built Royals International and we hated them, cross ventilation was non existent, condensation between the panes and the scissor mechanism to open and close was flimsy to say the least. Maybe others have better experiences than we did.

plasma800 · 05-22-2014, 07:07 AM

thanks for the opinions! I think this helps me make up my mind.

JMonroe · 05-22-2014, 07:50 AM

They look great, but restrict fresh air flow.

Am I the only one that misses the old "jealousy" windows that, in essence, opened the entire window area to the outside air? Not so aesthetically pleasing, perhaps, but much more functional for those of us that like to "smell the roses".

mel s · 05-22-2014, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasma800

I ran across a ventana today that was almost perfect,,,, it doesn't have the frameless windows... It has the normal sliding windows.

plasma800
RV terminology is certainly different than RW, (real world), terminology.
I had to Google "frameless RV windows" to find out what you meant...
(my bad).

In the real world, house windows that are hinged at the top and crank open are known as awning windows... (if more than one pane of glass opens with the same crank, "jalousie windows").
Normal sliding windows are known as sliding windows.
BTW, there are also "frameless sliding windows": https://www.google.com/#q=frameless+...windows+detail
Mel