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05-13-2022, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Canuck53
So there is lots of detail with the SLS method.
What is the best method to install the Stage 8? Slide in of out, clean the hole with what, locktite bolts and then torque to the 19 lbs? What is the best way to install the locking washers. What are the things to do and not do.
I’m asking since I to purchase the stage 8. Seems straight forward but…..
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It’s extremely straight forward. Slides only partially extended to get off the locks so there’s no pressure being applied to the shaft and motor. No loctite necessary. Take out factory bolts and install Stage 8 bolts to torque one at a time. Install brackets between the bolts then the fastening clip on the bolt to hold the brackets. Done.
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05-13-2022, 10:54 AM
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#114
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Originally Posted by ThunderRidge
It’s extremely straight forward. Slides only partially extended to get off the locks so there’s no pressure being applied to the shaft and motor. No loctite necessary. Take out factory bolts and install Stage 8 bolts to torque one at a time. Install brackets between the bolts then the fastening clip on the bolt to hold the brackets. Done.
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Thanks
Do the fastening clips just slip on or is there a technique or tool to make it easier?
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05-13-2022, 02:54 PM
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#115
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Originally Posted by Canuck53
Thanks
Do the fastening clips just slip on or is there a technique or tool to make it easier?
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They just slip on with a little help from a flat head screw driver. The process is very straight forward, replacing just one bolt at a time. You will find you will need to fine tune the bolt head position to accept the locking bar, but it’s just making minor adjustments till the bar slides on . Once the bar lines up, clips on. You will find if the clip spins, you have installed correctly. Easy, just a pain working in tight spaces.
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05-13-2022, 03:17 PM
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#116
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Originally Posted by redbaron73
Which size did you guys order for the 22 LADP?
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Originally Posted by Granite17
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Originally Posted by redbaron73
Thanks. Order placed for 3 kits.
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For what the following information may be worth…
Stage 8 offers two slideout motor kits:
ABRV101 – This kit has 3/8” bolts, 1” long, with the head requiring a 9/16 inch wrench and 4" between the bolt holes.
www.stage8.com/product/abrv101-rv-slideout-motor-locking-fastener-kit
ABRV103 – This kit has 5/16” bolts, 3/4” long, with the head requiring a 1/2 wrench and 3 1/4" between the bolt holes.
www.stage8.com/product/abrv103-rv-slideout-motor-locking-fastener-kit
On my 2022 Super Star (4061 floor plan), the motor for the full-wall slide on the driver side is easy to access, as is the motor for the dinette slide on the passenger side of the coach. I checked both of those motors and found they had 9/16" bolt heads with the center of the heads 4" apart.
The motor for the bedroom slide (passenger side of the coach) is more difficult to access, but I assumed all three slide motors would be the same and was ready to order three ABRV101 kits. But just to be sure, I decided to check the bedroom slide motor. Good thing I did - it turned out to be a smaller motor than the other two. That one had 1/2" bolt heads with the center of the heads 3 1/4" apart.
So in my case, I need two ABRV101 kits and one ABRV103 kit. I realize the Super Star is a bit of a different animal, so I'm not implying what I have will be the same as what's on a Newmar Class A. Just making the point that it's worth checking all your slide motors, their bolt head sizes, and the distance between the center of the bolt heads before you place an order with Stage 8.
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05-13-2022, 03:25 PM
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#117
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Originally Posted by LWBAZ
For what the following information may be worth…
Stage 8 offers two slideout motor kits:
ABRV101 – This kit has 3/8” bolts, 1” long, with the head requiring a 9/16 inch wrench and 4" between the bolt holes.
ABRV103 – This kit has 5/16” bolts, 3/4” long, with the head requiring a 1/2 wrench and 3 1/4" between the bolt holes.
www.stage8.com/product/abrv103-rv-slideout-motor-locking-fastener-kit
On my 2022 Super Star (4061 floor plan), the motor for the full-wall slide on the driver side is easy to access, as is the motor form the dinette slide on the passenger side of the coach. I checked both of those motors and found they had 9/16" bolt heads with the center of the heads 4" apart.
The motor for the bedroom slide (passenger side of the coach) is more difficult to access, but I assumed all three slide motors would be the same and was ready to order three ABRV101 kits. But just to be sure, I decided to check the bedroom slide motor. Good thing I did - it turned out to be a smaller motor than the other two. That one had 1/2" bolt heads with the center of the heads 3 1/4" apart.
So in my case, I need two ABRV101 kits and one ABRV103 kit. I realize the Super Star is a bit of a different animal, so I'm not implying what I have will be the same as what's on a Newmar Class A. Just making the point that it's worth checking all your slide motors, their bolt head sizes, and the distance between the center of the bolt heads before you place an order with Stage 8.
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All three of us have 2022 London Aires, that why we were confident in the kit size. But your right two sizes are offered and I would never recommend a size for a coach I hadn’t installed on.
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05-13-2022, 03:57 PM
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#118
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Not questioning you at all, John.
I was rather surprised at what I found on our Super Star. Based on your posts and the photo you posted of the ABRV-103 kit (1/2” wrench size, 3 1/4” between bolt holes) I expected to find the same on my Super Star. Instead, the first two motors I checked had 9/16” bolt heads and 4” between bolt holes. The third motor (bedroom slide) had a smaller motor, which made sense since that slide is the lightest of the three.
But what seems really strange is that two of the three slide motors on my almost 41 foot Super Star are apparently larger than the three slide motors Newmar installed on your 45 foot London Aire. Comparing the floor plans (images attached), my full-wall slide looks to be about the same length as yours, maybe a bit longer. But your forward passenger-side slide is longer than mine and has to be significantly heavier given that it includes the galley area. If only one of these two coaches had the bigger slide motors, I would expect it to be yours rather than mine.
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05-13-2022, 08:33 PM
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#119
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After looking at a number on Newmar coaches both pre 2016 and post plus Bat Star to KA. there are numerous different motors and set ups. Those with the 9/16 head bolts which is the 3/8 16 thread have far fewer loose bolts and problems with slide out motors bolts. Staring in 2016 and the FWS slide, Star chassis, and the HWH system on DS and up, is when there are almost all kitchen and bedroom motors have the 1/2 head bolts with 5/16 18 thread which is a weaker design. The high line coaches are the ones with 1/2 headed weaker attachment then the rest of the Newmar line. For most owners it's the bedroom slide out motors with 5/16 bolts that are cost owners the most trouble.
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05-13-2022, 11:35 PM
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#120
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Originally Posted by Canuck53
Thanks
Do the fastening clips just slip on or is there a technique or tool to make it easier?
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When I installed mine I found that once the bolts were tightened to spec, the straps would not align with the pair of bolts. At this point I had to choose between backing off the bolts or tightening them further to achieve alignment. These options result in either over or under tightening the bolts. Under tightening does not produce the required clamping force & overtightening increases the risk of stripping the female aluminum threads.
Ideally you want to install the straps with the bolts at the specified torque which is highly unlikely if ever to occur.
So here is what I did to have the bolts torqued to spec AND achieve strap alignment. I removed the bolts that would not align at the specified torque and placed very thin shim washers under the heads until the bolts were properly torqued & aligned with the cutouts in the straps. The shim thicknesses varied from 1 mil to 4 mils. The thin shims have a significant effect on the clocking of the bolt heads.
With this method the bolts are torqued to spec, achieving full clamping force & the straps were easily aligned with the bolt heads.
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05-13-2022, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dp7
When I installed mine I found that once the bolts were tightened to spec, the straps would not align with the pair of bolts. At this point I had to choose between backing off the bolts or tightening them further to achieve alignment. These options result in either over or under tightening the bolts. Under tightening does not produce the required clamping force & overtightening increases the risk of stripping the female aluminum threads.
Ideally you want to install the straps with the bolts at the specified torque which is highly unlikely if ever to occur.
So here is what I did to have the bolts torqued to spec AND achieve strap alignment. I removed the bolts that would not align at the specified torque and placed very thin shim washers under the heads until the bolts were properly torqued & aligned with the cutouts in the straps. The shim thicknesses varied from 1 mil to 4 mils.
With this method the bolts are torqued to spec, achieving full clamping force & the straps were easily aligned with the bolt heads.
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Great approach - thanks for posting! I've been wondering about exactly what you described.
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05-14-2022, 07:35 AM
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The thing I found is that 19 lbs. of torque is really low. I didn’t feel adjusting the bolts a little bit to get the strap to align was going to be damaging . You really don’t have to adjust the head very much. Shims certainly are an alternative for precision.
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06-22-2022, 03:03 PM
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#123
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Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club iRV2 No Limits Club
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FINALLY had the time to install the Stage 8 brackets. Since my FWS is electric, I needed them there as well. Glad to have that done.
One less thing to worry about.
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07-11-2022, 03:09 PM
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#124
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Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Slide motor bolt torque ??
Hi Guys, trying to get a consensus on what the torque should be when re-installing the slide motor bolts. Mine are on a 2006 MADP. I purchased a stage 8 kit with the 3/8 bolts and am planning on installing it as soon as I have confidence on the bolt torque.
thanks in advance
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07-11-2022, 07:53 PM
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#125
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Originally Posted by Calgary-rv
Hi Guys, trying to get a consensus on what the torque should be when re-installing the slide motor bolts. Mine are on a 2006 MADP. I purchased a stage 8 kit with the 3/8 bolts and am planning on installing it as soon as I have confidence on the bolt torque.
thanks in advance
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I did 19lbs, plus turn to align.
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07-11-2022, 11:00 PM
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#126
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Quote:
Originally Posted by redbaron73
I did 19lbs, plus turn to align.
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I just did the exact same thing Red Baron-19 plus turn to align. I finally got tired of retorquing the bolts all the time and adding lock tite did not help. Hardest part was getting the new bolts started because Newmar does not line up the holes in the Motors with the slots in the frame work very well so they don't just spin in freely at first and you must be careful not to cross thread them when starting the bolts.
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