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Old 08-16-2015, 09:37 AM   #1
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In regards to your 3921 toy hauler...

How do you like it so far? Is the V10 motor strong enough for toys in the garage like 2 motorcycles or a golf cart and a toad? We are planning to purchase one in the next few months. We have a golf cart that we like to use at the RV parks. Our toad would be a Jeep Wrangler and we would have a 900lb golf cart in the garage.
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There are some 3920 (discontinued for 2016) owners on iRV2...and a few 3921 owners too. The 3921 is a somewhat new model.

The trick is connecting with them...like this query got no responses:
http://www.irv2.com/forums/f103/cs-3...ce-258347.html

Maybe try a post here:
http://www.irv2.com/forums/f103/new-...up-120271.html

About the Ford F53 w/V10 carrying the load (toys and toad), YES, the 26,000lb model (heaviest available) is very capable for is task. The engine will rev-up to over 4,000RPM when working hard, but is made to do that.
And just FYI, there is a change coming to that chassis. It is currently a 362HP w/ 5 speed. In later 2016 models, the engine will be de-tuned to 320HP w/ 6 speed from the Super Duty truck line...the lower HP could be driven by the EPA(?).

Newmar makes a nice product, but just in case you did not know, there are/were other Class A Toy Haulers made, see:
http://www.irv2.com/forums/f258/clas...rs-130973.html

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Old 08-18-2015, 04:00 PM   #3
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Pay close attention to the weight of the coach as built, rolling off the lot. We looked at that, and after factoring in the weight of 2 motorcycles (approx. 1100 lbs) we were over the rating of the rear axle. These models roll off the lot fairly heavy, leaving little room for carrying capacity.

We went to, and called various dealers, who had models on the lot and got the stated weights off the stickers to get an idea of what they weighed coming out of the factory. You can't go by what is in the brochure.

You may be OK with just the golf cart at 900 lbs, but it won't leave you much for all your other stuff.

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Pay close attention to the weight of the coach as built, rolling off the lot. We looked at that, and after factoring in the weight of 2 motorcycles (approx. 1100 lbs) we were over the rating of the rear axle. These models roll off the lot fairly heavy, leaving little room for carrying capacity.

We went to, and called various dealers, who had models on the lot and got the stated weights off the stickers to get an idea of what they weighed coming out of the factory. You can't go by what is in the brochure.

You may be OK with just the golf cart at 900 lbs, but it won't leave you much for all your other stuff.

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Maybe this was and older Canyon Star(?)

The 3921 (new in 2013) has one of the highest NCC's of the Canyon Star line with 4,545lb available on the 26,000lb F53:
Canyon Star motor coach specs | Newmar

That's because the garage is basically a big empty space in the back...riding on Ford's 17,500lb rated axle.

A dealer would not usually have front and rear axle weights to provide to a buyer, so I would question this assessment...unless the dealer was pushing to sell another DP

Since the engine must be in the front to have the rear garage, the 26,000lb GVWR / 30,000lb GCWR F53 chassis is the only show in town.

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Presently I weigh in a little over 23K pounds. Pull a CR-V for a toad. Sometimes a roof top boat and all the gear need for it. No problems...... do the diesels pull away from me in the mountains - Yes Do Tractor trailers pass me - Once in a Blue Moon.
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Thank you for the response. We plan on purchasing a new 2016 model in a few months.
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Scarab,

Any dealer will have the actual weights of the coach as it rolled off the lot. You can't go with the specs out of the brochure as that doesn't account for any add ons or options. In the case of the 3920 and 3921, the bed they put in the garage area is an add on, which eats away at the stated figure of 4554 lbs of carrying capacity. We were looking at 2014 models of both the 3920 and 3921. The 3921 had a lower NCC than the 3920 due to the larger full wall slide being heavier than what they had on the 3920 design.

Again, I say, be cautious, and do your homework. With the CS, it is very easy to exceed the rear axle rating once you start putting close to 1000 lbs in the garage, unless you don't want to carry any food, or chairs, or beer, or......the list goes on!
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Any dealer will have the actual weights of the coach as it rolled off the lot. You can't go with the specs out of the brochure as that doesn't account for any add ons or options. In the case of the 3920 and 3921, the bed they put in the garage area is an add on, which eats away at the stated figure...
Again, I say, be cautious, and do your homework. With the CS, it is very easy to exceed the rear axle rating once you start putting close to 1000 lbs in the garage, unless you don't want to carry any food, or chairs, or beer, or......the list goes on!
Randy,

A BIG THANK YOU! I did not realize (didn't see it on the features/options sheet) that the garage drop-down bunk was an option.

I had noticed that the 3920 and 21 seemed to have relatively low garage weight ratings, but having the garage bunks (kinda' expected) would really prevent carrying very much more than a couple of street bikes...and surely not 2 full dressers or a side-by-side like the Rhino.

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Your Welcome! I researched the heck out the carrying capacity of the CS, talking to the area rep, getting weights of things like the bed, and the auxiliary fuel option, in hopes I could make it work. In the end, it just wasn't going to carry what I wanted to carry safely. So we went the DP route with full blown lift. Still hate the fact the moto's are outside, but it is what it is.

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The 3921 is out due to low NCC. We plan now to purchase a pre-owned Ventana instead.
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