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Old 05-11-2021, 10:14 AM   #1
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Kountry Star vs Ventana

Hello,

we are considering getting a new diesel coach. We want to stay less than 35', so that leaves us with a Ventana, Kountry Star, or New Aire. We like the New Aire, but a bit out of our price range. We also like having propane for cooking and heating.

I have been trying to compare the 3426 floorplan of Kountry Star and the Ventana. I am trying to figure out why the Ventana is 4000lbs heavier than the Kountry Star (UVW). I also notice the rear GAWR is 23K vs 21K , so the chassis must be a bit different.

Ventana has tile floors, but what else that adds up to 4000 lbs? Can it just be the level of trim?

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Old 05-11-2021, 11:15 AM   #2
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I'm not familiar with the Kountry Star but have a 2013 VTDP 3433 and like a lot about it. We previously had propane heat & cooking and wasn't sure if we would like Oasis heat and otherwise all electric MH. I can say it is very nice and has a Full size residential fridge.. We do have 8 6V GC battys which are around 500 lb... not sure how many and wt are in the KS?
I do like the 360 HP ISB coupled with the Alluson 3000 transmission. Not sure what is in the KS but ill guess it is 340 HP ISB and Allison 2500.
I could not easily find the details online but would dig deep to find out the details. I'll guess the frame & axles are different.
The only feature I wish we had was heated floors but I guess you need to go up to a Dutch Star to get that.
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Old 05-11-2021, 11:54 AM   #3
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If the KS has the 2500 transmission then it will have a lower GCWR and could limit your toad.

We switched from a Canyon Star with propane and the 12cu ft propane fridge to an all electric Ventana. We will never go back to propane. Granted we usually have 30/50amp electric hookups. But the fridge is a huge upgrade.

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Old 05-11-2021, 12:44 PM   #4
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A couple of years ago Newmar renamed the Ventana LE to Kountry Star for their entry level diesel pusher. Looking at the Newmar website I only see a 2,000 lbs. difference in GVWR between the Kountry Star (33,400 lbs. GVWR) and the Ventana (35,400 lbs. GVWR) for the 3426 floor plan --> https://www.newmarcorp.com/diesel-mo...a/coach-specs/

The primary reason for the higher GVWR for the Ventana is due to its larger gray and black water tank capacities which are 10 gallons each higher than tank capacities on the Kountry Star which adds ~170 lbs. of weight. More significant is the Ventana has ceramic tile flooring vs. vinyl flooring in the Kountry Star. The 3426 model will have ~275 square feet of "tiled" area. Ceramic tile vs. vinyl flooring will add ~5 lbs per square foot of flooring area. As such, the ceramic tile adds ~1,400 lbs. of additional weight --> https://findanyanswer.com/how-much-d...ding%20mortar.

The higher capacity gray & black tanks plus ceramic tile flooring combined adds nearly 1,600 lbs. of weight to the chassis which accounts for most of the 2,000 lbs. higher GVWR for the Ventana.

Both the Kountry Star and Ventana has a 360 HP Cummins 6.7L ISB engine coupled to an Allison 3000MH transmission. Both coaches have a 10,000 lbs. towing capacity.

You can't go wrong with either the Kountry Star nor the Ventana. The Ventana has a $40,000'ish higher price tag for a few added luxuries e.g. ceramic tile floor, Girard vs. Dometic patio awning, etc. (the Girard awning also adds more weight).

Let the forum know what you decide to purchase. Have fun shopping!
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dnhxx -

A couple of years ago Newmar renamed the Ventana LE to Kountry Star for their entry level diesel pusher. Looking at the Newmar website I only see a 2,000 lbs. difference in GVWR between the Kountry Star (33,400 lbs. GVWR) and the Ventana (35,400 lbs. GVWR) for the 3426 floor plan --> https://www.newmarcorp.com/diesel-mo...a/coach-specs/
GVWR is max weight rating the chassis can handle not how much it weighs, Newmar list the Unloaded Vehicle Weight (UVW) which is full fuel and engine fluids but empty water tanks as 26300 lbs on the Kountry Star and 30400 lbs on the Ventana for a difference of 4100 lbs.

Newmar also list the Net Carrying Capacity (NCC) on the Kountry Star as 5500lbs which only adds up to 31800 while the Ventana is listed at 5000 lbs which totals up to exactly the 35400 lbs GVWR.

So not sure if there is a typo on the Kountry Star or if there is some other reason they don't list its NCC as the full 7100 lb.
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thank you, fagnaml, I didn't notice he difference in the gray/black tanks.

I also didn't realize the tile weighed that much. UVW does not include fresh water or propane so that still leaves over 2000 lbs of stuff, which mostly seems to be upgraded items.

Although all electric is a plus, we boondock a lot, so it could be an issue without a lot of solar panels. We have a Bay Star with a 10cf electric fridge ( 4 batteries) , and would probably stick with that size.
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So digging some more because NCC did not add up it looks like Newmar has some typos either on the web site or in the brochure.

I am going to assume the brochure is correct and the website is wrong.

In the 2021 brochure the KS 3426 is listed as 27900lbs UVW while the website lists as 26300lbs. 27900 + 5500 NCC = 33400 GVWR, makes more sense.

So if the brochure is correct the KS is only 2500lbs less than the Ventana.

We are looking at the KS 4045 and it also seems to have incorrect info listed on web site vs brochure for weights.

Very annoying Newmar makes you enter info to get brochures and then can't even gets the specs right on web site. Wish the website was just a copy of the brochure as its laid out much better anyway and then there would no be discrepancies as well.

I found the brochures using Google instead:

https://newpar.newmarcorp.com/instan.../2021VTDPB.pdf

https://newpar.newmarcorp.com/instan.../2021KSDPB.pdf

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