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Old 06-13-2025, 06:44 PM   #1
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Main Electrical Questions

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I am doing some tracking down of a engine starting issue and looking for some answers on acouple areas. I have been doing Alot of reading and researching many platforms.

I have a 1994 Dutchstar,,trying to identify the electrical parts to the Right of the transfer switch box.mostly the two relay looking units that are round.if anyone would have a wiring diagram of this area,would help me alot.
Also looking for someone that might be able to tell me what the 12v fuses go to.

I am enclosing acouple pics,,Thanks Much
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What chassis is your DS on ?
Back in the day Newmar used the DS name on Gas and diesel chassis .

The two pictures you've posted are of Newmar installed wiring ; so not involved with engine starting .

I'll down load your pictures and enlarge them . and I'll post again with as much info I can .
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OK; I have no info on the second picture ; but the pdf will have some answers .

In you photo , that I've marked out some parts I'm sure of.

Yellow box ; BIRD control box and solenoid .
Orange box ; coach battery disconnect .
Orange arrow , chassis battery cable.
Green arrow , coach battery power cable .
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Thanks,,I have the Spartan,,with diesel engine..
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Thanks,,I have the Spartan,,with diesel engine..
The oldest info I have on Spartan chassis wiring is for 2000/2002 Mountain Master chassis .

Does the engine crank over but not run ?
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It is a occasional issue,I can turn the key sometimes and nothing lights up on the dash and won't crack.If I just leave the key in the On position,it will decide when,,but dash warning lights turn on and it cracks fine and starts right up.
Lately it has thrown a new twist into it.once it is running,the alternator gage will drop way down and in will barely idle,and then die.
Sometimes when the volt gage drops way down,it will bounce around abit and then sit at the 13+ volts area and run fine again.

There were times it wouldn't do it for days..

Thanks also for the other info,I will be reviewing all of it in the morning...
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Was Newmar using an ignition switch that mounted like this ( photo ) back in the day , when your coach was built?
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There should be a cover for the fuse box that would have all the different 12 volt fuses identified. If the cover is gone it would be difficult but not impossible to pull them one at a time to see what stops working. It wouldn’t be worth it to me. I’d just go on the assumption of the fuse isn’t burnt the circuit is good. Then if one does burn out, start marking them.
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I forgot to mention that I have already tried a new ignition switch..No change in the issues

I am going to start with cleaning all grounds to the chassis and batteries.This rig sat for about 4yrs. due to the owners health decline.

Was also told to replace the grid heater relay,known to cause odd things when bad or going bad.

Need to look around and see if I find any type of starter relay,connections could be bad.

Also not sure if a failing alternator could do these things,going to remove it and have it checked out.
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I would disconnect the grid heater for testing. I would not bother with the start relay, or alternator yet, neither would explain the symptoms.


What engine?
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Hi Ben,thanks for chiming in on this,,when you say disconnect grid heater,,would i just connect the battery cables there then and see if issue changes??

I have the 5.9l cummins
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I think you're headed in the right direction with cleaning the grounds. I have seen corroded grounds cause the same symptoms. Good luck with the troubleshooting
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Hi Ben,thanks for chiming in on this,,when you say disconnect grid heater,,would i just connect the battery cables there then and see if issue changes??

I have the 5.9l cummins

Yes, you could disconnect the battery cable, or the control wire at the relay that controls the grid heater. The grid heater on some cummins can fail, allowing a bolt to go through the engine, destroying the engine in cases, I'd check if that applies to yours, and remove the whole thing if it does. You only need the heater for cold starts, and many RV's never start in the cold anyway. I have a flamestart that has never worked, but it's there if I'm ever stuck in the arctic.


I'd try to find the voltage issue when you turn the key and none of the dash lights up. The dash ground busses were notoriously bad in general for class A's, that would be the first place to check, along with the ignition switch and ignition relay (find it by turning the key to run and tracking the noise if you don't have a diagram). If the ground was bad at the battery, the starter would not typically work great on and off. It would be slow, or crank for a split second and then the dash would go dark, but anything's possible.


These old beasts are so complicated that the "trying something" that works in cars doesn't work so great. Messing with stuff leads to as many new problems as problems it fixes
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Would anyone know if the Starter/Ignition Relay would be under the dash or back by the motor somewhere??

I am very hard of hearing in my one partially working ear and can't go by a clicking sound..

Also going to take drivers seat out today so i can start looking whats all under there..
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