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Old 06-22-2015, 02:12 PM   #1
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I am relative new to the Newmar world (2000 and 2007 Kountry Star). I have been RVing since 1960. Newmar has provided me with a superior product when compared to my other units (Homemade fold up, Shasta TT, Holiday Rambler TT, Air Stream TT, Avion TT, American Eagle MH).

I have been concerned about slide outs from the beginning, but felt some comfort after learning that Newmar invented slide outs and had problem-free slide out systems. My 2000 and 2007 Kountry Star units have had no problems.

I am dismayed to learn of the Newmar problems with full-wall-slide outs. There is a continuing thread about full wall slide out problems on this forum, and I have personal contact with a friend who is in deep trouble because of a Newmar full-wall-slide out problem. She is a lone female and the full-wall-slide out has malfunctioned. The problem is, maybe, being repaired by a Newmar dealer, but in the meantime, she is up the creek. No one seems to say what the problem is.

But that’s not the point of this post. The point is that Newmar now has a really large problem. There are issues with a large number of full wall slide outs from a few years ago to date. Just correcting the problem in future years won’t remove the issue. Advising existing owners to use “special” methods to get around a defect is not in Newmar’s interest. The full-wall-slide out has been a disaster, can Newmar survive? I hope so!

Good Luck!
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Old 06-22-2015, 02:27 PM   #2
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What a Shame
I am relative new to the Newmar world (2000 and 2007 Kountry Star). I have been RVing since 1960. Newmar has provided me with a superior product when compared to my other units (Homemade fold up, Shasta TT, Holiday Rambler TT, Air Stream TT, Avion TT, American Eagle MH).

I have been concerned about slide outs from the beginning, but felt some comfort after learning that Newmar invented slide outs and had problem-free slide out systems. My 2000 and 2007 Kountry Star units have had no problems.

I am dismayed to learn of the Newmar problems with full-wall-slide outs. There is a continuing thread about full wall slide out problems on this forum, and I have personal contact with a friend who is in deep trouble because of a Newmar full-wall-slide out problem. She is a lone female and the full-wall-slide out has malfunctioned. The problem is, maybe, being repaired by a Newmar dealer, but in the meantime, she is up the creek. No one seems to say what the problem is.

But that’s not the point of this post. The point is that Newmar now has a really large problem. There are issues with a large number of full wall slide outs from a few years ago to date. Just correcting the problem in future years won’t remove the issue. Advising existing owners to use “special” methods to get around a defect is not in Newmar’s interest. The full-wall-slide out has been a disaster, can Newmar survive? I hope so!

Good Luck!
Wil
Will,

My understanding is level the coach on it's jacks. Then put the slide out. Put the slide in, then take the coach off of it's jacks.

That said there are folks including long time dealers that do not do that. When we first saw our coach three weeks ago it had all three slide out and was not on it jacks. This was a big time Newmar Dealer.

There will be folks that argue and scream and holler but in time they will change. Me it's jacks down, slides out, slides in, jacks up.
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Old 06-22-2015, 02:39 PM   #3
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You are under warranty, I would do what is recommended by manufacture. Small slides can go out the way you explained. But for six months or more now, Newmar has stated to launch FWS first then level coach. I have followed guidelines and have a FWS out of alinement and waiting on repairs. FWS slide has been a huge conversation and many post.
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I am relative new to the Newmar world (2000 and 2007 Kountry Star). I have been RVing since 1960. Newmar has provided me with a superior product when compared to my other units (Homemade fold up, Shasta TT, Holiday Rambler TT, Air Stream TT, Avion TT, American Eagle MH).

I have been concerned about slide outs from the beginning, but felt some comfort after learning that Newmar invented slide outs and had problem-free slide out systems. My 2000 and 2007 Kountry Star units have had no problems.

I am dismayed to learn of the Newmar problems with full-wall-slide outs. There is a continuing thread about full wall slide out problems on this forum, and I have personal contact with a friend who is in deep trouble because of a Newmar full-wall-slide out problem. She is a lone female and the full-wall-slide out has malfunctioned. The problem is, maybe, being repaired by a Newmar dealer, but in the meantime, she is up the creek. No one seems to say what the problem is.

But that’s not the point of this post. The point is that Newmar now has a really large problem. There are issues with a large number of full wall slide outs from a few years ago to date. Just correcting the problem in future years won’t remove the issue. Advising existing owners to use “special” methods to get around a defect is not in Newmar’s interest. The full-wall-slide out has been a disaster, can Newmar survive? I hope so!

Good Luck!
Wil
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Old 06-22-2015, 03:46 PM   #5
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Wow.....I believe there are 4-5 people who posted on here about slide issues and you have extrapolated that to Newmar is failing as a coach manufacturer. Do you realize that this forum represents less than one percent of the RVing community and Newmar has made thousands of coaches without issues.
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Wow.....I believe there are 4-5 people who posted on here about slides issues and you have extrapolated that to Newmar is failing as a coach manufacturer. Do you realize that this forum represent less than one percent of the RVing community and Newmar has made thousands of coaches without issues.
Well said Don. Some folks seem like they would rather gripe than offer suggestions and solutions.
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Old 06-22-2015, 04:23 PM   #7
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Just remember Thor

Thor Palazzo got totally trashed because of slide out issues, Entegra stopped the 44F builds because of full wall slide out issues and now they do not offer any floorplans with full wall slides.

Newmar is now embarking on a new technology for them and that is the hydraulics for the full wall slide. They are also putting tile in the slide. For me, this is great news as we have never liked the carpet. However, the jury is out on how well this works and until deliveries start to roll out of the factory we won't know if this corrects the issues some are having with FWS.

I am sure hoping that this proves to be as great as it appears in the brochures. To me it is a winner until proven otherwise and is not going to deter me to placing my order in the next couple of months. However, you can bet that order will be done with either a 5K deposit or a refundable deposit. This way I will have some assurance in the next 7 months on any issues with the 2016's.

I don't think the slide issues to date will be a major negative to Newmar. Will really be how they handle the issues for individual owners. Yes, iRV2 may be a small sample of Newmar owners, but with google and more and more people flocking to social media, even the ones that don't post do read.

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Wow.....I believe there are 4-5 people who posted on here about slide issues and you have extrapolated that to Newmar is failing as a coach manufacturer. Do you realize that this forum represents less than one percent of the RVing community and Newmar has made thousands of coaches without issues.
WOW....glad I read your post Don......I was getting ready to sell my KA
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Huh? Where did this come from?
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I would not buy a coach with a full wall slide I just can't see how cutting the whole side out of a coach can ever be a good thing. How are things down in Pawleys island?We are cooking here in Hot Columbia
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Wow.....I believe there are 4-5 people who posted on here about slide issues and you have extrapolated that to Newmar is failing as a coach manufacturer. Do you realize that this forum represents less than one percent of the RVing community and Newmar has made thousands of coaches without issues.
Let others have there say without belittling them. I've run into my share of Newmar's foolish engineering and a long list of poor workmanship.
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Many don't see the problem!

A woman living alone (I don't know why) bought a Newmar to travel and live in. It was a Vantana with a full wall slide out. She did all the things instructed to do. Then she tried to deploy the full slide out by pushing the proper switch. It didn't work well! She now a large bill to get the thing repaired.

She has no unique (male) RV knowledge, nor a desire to get any. She just wanted to pay her money and get a product to perform at least as good as her Ford auto. The Ford just runs when it has fuel and is started normally -- no extra repair cost. Her Newmar is now out of action until expensive repairs are made to her full wall slide out.

That just isn't right. The slid out should work at least as good as prior Newmar slide outs.

If you don't think this lack of good design and/or quality control won't hurt Newmar, you are mistaken.

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Many don't see the problem!

A woman living alone (I don't know why) bought a Newmar to travel and live in. It was a Vantana with a full wall slide out. She did all the things instructed to do. Then she tried to deploy the full slide out by pushing the proper switch. It didn't work well! She now a large bill to get the thing repaired.

She has no unique (male) RV knowledge, nor a desire to get any. She just wanted to pay her money and get a product to perform at least as good as her Ford auto. The Ford just runs when it has fuel and is started normally -- no extra repair cost. Her Newmar is now out of action until expensive repairs are made to her full wall slide out.

That just isn't right. The slid out should work at least as good as prior Newmar slide outs.

If you don't think this lack of good design and/or quality control won't hurt Newmar, you are mistaken.

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