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Old 05-13-2021, 07:46 AM   #15
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Definitely go kick some tires & drive some DP's. The advantages of a DP over a class 8 tow vehicle or a class 8 conversion are strictly at the campground. On the road the class 8 will win (IMO). I own a business & I have 2017 Peterbuilt, a 2021 KW T-800, and a 2020 FL M2. But I have had DP's for 25 years because we live in the coach much more than driving it. My 5 year old DS has less than 40K miles If you want to make it more apples to apples you need to go higher in the Newmar line & get yourself more power. A DS loaded for travel prolly weighing 42K pulling your 5000K toad will not perform even close to your Volvo pulling the 5er.
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Old 05-13-2021, 05:29 PM   #16
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Enjoy your shopping and test drive... I would keep what you have and upgrade or change your tow vehicle. IMHO after 50 years of RVing, and now with a DutchStar, you already have the perfect set-up.

Thanks Car1. Feel free to shoot me a PM and elaborate on that.
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Old 05-13-2021, 07:28 PM   #17
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Hello All,

Hopefully I am posting this correctly since I have never posted here before.

I currently own a 2017 Luxe 5th wheel. I had a buyer interested in my tow vehicle and the price was right, so I sold it. So... that leaves me at a point where I can buy a new tow vehicle, or I can change direction and buy a new Class A Newmar diesel pusher. I'm thinking Dutch Star 4369, but I never owned a Class A motorcoach and am not sure that I will like how the handle, drive and climb hills.

I'm headed to NIRVC to look at and test drive a Dutch Star and an Entegra Anthem.

I travel at the speed limit at around 70 mph for long trips. Usually I travel anywhere from 6 to 14 hours at a clip depending on where we decide to go.

Can any owner's tell me from their own honest experience how well these pull 7 percent grades (between 7 and 13 miles long) and how they drive and handle on the interstate? Do they have plenty of power to cruise at 70 mph on the highway for long distances and how bad will it trail off of 70 mph on the forementioned hills? Do they get pushed around on the highway by wind, road ruts and semi-trucks? How well do they handle bumpy, broken interstate? Do they require a lot of steering wheel correction to stay in their lane, or do they track like they are on rails?

I have a non-commercial Class A license and have been driving semi truck for many years. I want a good tracking vehicle that I don't have to fight for many hours to get to my destination.

Thank you all in advance for your help.
After you drive a Class A Diesel pusher on air ride you will never travel in a pick up truck again.

I have the 2019 Ventana 4369 with the 450 HP Cummins, same as Dutch star, I also pull a 12,000 lb race trailer it is an absolute joy, it has no trouble pulling hills at reasonable speeds most of the time I am passing all the big rigs, in fact it is easy to forget your towing anything at all.

The handling is amazing with the tag axle.

We also tow a Jeep Gran Cherokee when on vacations not racing.

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Old 05-14-2021, 06:00 AM   #18
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After you drive a Class A Diesel pusher on air ride you will never travel in a pick up truck again.

I have the 2019 Ventana 4369 with the 450 HP Cummins, same as Dutch star, I also pull a 12,000 lb race trailer it is an absolute joy, it has no trouble pulling hills at reasonable speeds most of the time I am passing all the big rigs, in fact it is easy to forget your towing anything at all.

The handling is amazing with the tag axle.

We also tow a Jeep Gran Cherokee when on vacations not racing.

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Thanks Ted. We will be towing our Jeep Grand Cherokee also.
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Old 05-14-2021, 06:11 AM   #19
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Definitely go kick some tires & drive some DP's. The advantages of a DP over a class 8 tow vehicle or a class 8 conversion are strictly at the campground. On the road the class 8 will win (IMO). I own a business & I have 2017 Peterbuilt, a 2021 KW T-800, and a 2020 FL M2. But I have had DP's for 25 years because we live in the coach much more than driving it. My 5 year old DS has less than 40K miles If you want to make it more apples to apples you need to go higher in the Newmar line & get yourself more power. A DS loaded for travel prolly weighing 42K pulling your 5000K toad will not perform even close to your Volvo pulling the 5er.
Good points. So, maybe I should look at a Mountain Aire, or larger? That may be a double edge sword though. The larger the coach, the more power, but the more it will weigh. I wonder if the power to weight ratio is the same at all the different diesel pusher levels? The only downside to going with a Mountain Aire, or a 605hp London Aire is the price at $700- $800 thousand . I can buy a new Kenworth custom ordered and be in the $150-$190 thousand price range and have all that over the road power
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The reason you will get more HP and Torque with a Mountain Aire or London Aire is that you will need it. They are both heavier than the Dutch Star.

You would not gain an appreciable amount in the HP TO weight ratio.

Now, if you want more luxury features, then go for it.

We have crossed the Rockies multiple times and we have driven the Alaskan highway as well, and have encountered some pretty steep grades. We have no complaints about hill climbing performance. But, we have never felt that we were in a race where we had to win. Since you were a Truck driver you know how to drive and will quickly figure out how to be pro- active getting a rig to the top, and equally important, get down safely using the transmission in a class A motorhome.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised by the lack of effect of being moved around by Tractor-trailer rigs.

We have friends with the same tow vehicle you just sold, but newer. They are currently in Kansas picking up their brand new 42' New Horizons Majestic. Can't wait to see it.

I'll be very interested to hear what you think of the DS after your test drive. Hope you enjoy it! -Paul
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The reason you will get more HP and Torque with a Mountain Aire or London Aire is that you will need it. They are both heavier than the Dutch Star.

You would not gain an appreciable amount in the HP TO weight ratio.

Now, if you want more luxury features, then go for it.

We have crossed the Rockies multiple times and we have driven the Alaskan highway as well, and have encountered some pretty steep grades. We have no complaints about hill climbing performance. But, we have never felt that we were in a race where we had to win. Since you were a Truck driver you know how to drive and will quickly figure out how to be pro- active getting a rig to the top, and equally important, get down safely using the transmission in a class A motorhome.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised by the lack of effect of being moved around by Tractor-trailer rigs.

We have friends with the same tow vehicle you just sold, but newer. They are currently in Kansas picking up their brand new 42' New Horizons Majestic. Can't wait to see it.

I'll be very interested to hear what you think of the DS after your test drive. Hope you enjoy it! -Paul
That's what I figured Paul. Thank you for the information. I remember back in the day having to get a run for the hills and hope that i didn't get slowed down by another vehicle to keep momentum on the hills. Now a days, with my own rig, I just buy enough power to climb hills. It has nothing to do with being in a rush, or racing others. It's all about climbing hills the best that you can without impeding traffic. It's bad enough when a car drives 55mph in the left lane of a 70mph interstate jamming up the works. It's not just cars. These young fleet drivers do the same thing.

As an aside, every time I order a new truck and get the big engine, my KW dealer laughs and says that I like to drive with my hair on fire
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Welcome to the forum.
Here is info on all new coach's with also the Super C's truck chassis.
This link will give you info on COMFORT DRIVE and any older coach by accessing COM_NET.
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Old 05-15-2021, 02:20 AM   #23
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Here is info[/URL][/B] on all new coach's with also the Super C's truck chassis.
This link will give you info on COMFORT DRIVE and any older coach by accessing COM_NET.
Very nice. Thank you.

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