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Old 03-07-2019, 11:41 AM   #1
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Question Strengthen Toy Hauler for Smart Car?

Hi all,

Newbie here. Loving reading all the great threads and advice. I am looking to buy a used (2015) Class A Toy Hauler. Thor Outlaw (2500lbs) can take a smart car but some of the reviews about poor quality of the build (let alone dealer horror stories) really scare me. The Newmar looks great, has great reviews and has the room... but 1500lbs limit (latest smart car is 2300). I had a new 34ft Bounder years ago (1989) and tow-dollied a civic. Apart from being a daunting 50ft rig, reversing was almost not an option, so I want to avoid if possible. So.... do any of you think the Newmar could be strengthened? Floor, springs... I guess the ramp and hinges would need strengthening too. What does the Outlaw have to support 2500lbs that the Newmar doesn't?
Perhaps there's a better option that I'm overlooking? Cheers, Bernie.
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Old 03-12-2019, 01:25 PM   #2
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The CanyonStar ToyHauler is a beautiful RV!
But like you found the garage is limited at 1500lb loaded. Despite being on an identical 26,000lb GVWR Chassis as the Outlaw line, the weight of the build differences (like hung-wall and extra lumber used in the floor construction) consume the 1000lb on the rear axle and some on the front too.

Could you add overload air bags to the rear axle to reach the 2300lb needed for your Smart? Idunno what is the max axle rating, but worth a check. AirRide, Firestone and AirLift and others make supplemental bags for the F53.

We have an Outlaw and have read about issues with repairs under warranty. These problems are all directly traceable to the dealerships and dealer service centers failing owners. But the RV's are well built and well appointed.

We are well beyond the warranty and little fails - like you would find on a 2015 purchase. All our fixes have been DIY repairs because of the Outlaw's build method that uses widely available and common systems for everything inside the RV. There is no factory-only bits used except for the body itself.

We submit that if you want to haul your Smart inside a Class A Toy Hauler, you could be a smart buyer and find an Outlaw that fits your likes (there's been 6 floor plans over the years). That's what we did:

See these and other Class A ToyHaulers here:

Best luck
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:18 PM   #3
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I would guess it is more of a weight issue than a construction issue. And any materials you would add to build capacity would just add more weight to the rear axle.
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Also consider, how much is the weight rating of the ramp and hinge on the Canyon Star?
It looks like the Outlaw ramp handles it fine. Anyone know the Newmar weight ratings for the ramp/hinge?
I suppose it would be no more than the garage, they're assuming you wouldn't exceed that.
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Thanks so much for taking the time to post this thoughtful and useful response. Your advice seems sound to me. My biggest concern is whether the underlying quality of the Outlaw is suspect, but you have allayed that fear. Happy travels.
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