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Old 10-22-2020, 11:52 PM   #1
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VTDP 2016 Front Axle Weight -34 / 37' models

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I know this has been discussed a lot on the forums and searching hasn't been successful in finding if the 34 and 37' floor plans on the VTDPs have the same front axle capacity issues.

All the threads I've been reading seem to refer to various 40' floorplans suffering from this (and apparently corrected in 2017?). As we've settled mostly on the 2016 model year, and eyeballing a used coach currently for sale, i'm looking for some feedback on the shorter units to feel better about moving forward.

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Old 10-23-2020, 12:35 AM   #2
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All,

I know this has been discussed a lot on the forums and searching hasn't been successful in finding if the 34 and 37' floor plans on the VTDPs have the same front axle capacity issues.

All the threads I've been reading seem to refer to various 40' floorplans suffering from this (and apparently corrected in 2017?). As we've settled mostly on the 2016 model year, and eyeballing a used coach currently for sale, i'm looking for some feedback on the shorter units to feel better about moving forward.

Thanks
According to the attached datasheet, the 2016 front GAWR for the 206" wheelbase was 12,000 lbs and 12,400 for the 240" wheelbase.

My 2017 3709 with a wheelbase of 242" has a front GAWR of 13,300 lbs. The 2021 3709 with a wheelbase of 242" has a front GVWR of 14,000 lbs. Newmar seems to struggle with getting the front axle capacity correct.
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Old 10-23-2020, 05:47 AM   #3
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According to the attached datasheet, the 2016 front GAWR for the 206" wheelbase was 12,000 lbs and 12,400 for the 240" wheelbase.

My 2017 3709 with a wheelbase of 242" has a front GAWR of 13,300 lbs. The 2021 3709 with a wheelbase of 242" has a front GVWR of 14,000 lbs. Newmar seems to struggle with getting the front axle capacity correct.
....or maybe it’s because rigs are just getting heavier. My 2016 with full tanks and all my gear comes in under the GVW for both front and rear axles.

Look at unladen weight numbers for a 2016 vs 2021. 28,600 vs 32,400 for the same model - 3709. In 2017 the UVW for a 3709 was 29,900. So it looks like they have been correct all along, upgrading axles ratings as rigs get heavier.

Powerwoofs, if you are concerned just have the rig weighed with full tanks. You’ll probably find it well within specs with adequate CCC.

Maybe the issue you read about was with the LE 40’ Ventanas (non-tag). They got a heavier ft axle in 17 for the same model and weight in 16 - from 12,400 to 13,300. The Ventana tag models had the same 14k ft axles both years, and still had the same 14k from axle at least through 2019. Now they have a 14,200 but they have also gained almost 4000lbs since 2019 and lost that same amount of CCC.
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When normally loaded as we travel, our 2016 VTDP 3725 is slightly over 12k#. That is with full fuel and about 3/4 freshwater and empty black & grey. That is well with capacity for the 12,400 axle but l do keep a close eye on where we load extra stuff not normally carried as part of our standard kit. One thing did surprise us is that the as built unloaded vehicle weight was more than 3k# more than advertised on the Newmar website.
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My build sheet shows standard weight, and actual weight after the options were added to the “unladen vehicle weight”. The difference was about 2000lb more after options.
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So it looks like they have been correct all along, upgrading axles ratings as rigs get heavier.
My reference to Newmar's struggle to get correct front axle capacities was based on what happened in 2016 with all the front axles that they swapped out on DutchStars because they were over loaded. Many posts on here chronicling the issue.
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My reference to Newmar's struggle to get correct front axle capacities was based on what happened in 2016 with all the front axles that they swapped out on DutchStars because they were over loaded. Many posts on here chronicling the issue.
Ok, I was just referring to Ventana which seems to have been a pretty solid product through the years. I haven’t paid very close attention to Dutch Star specs and issues as I’m still in the short coach market. New Aire was the only IFS coach I was considering, but decided against that model for several reasons.

Maybe in a few years I‘ll be looking at bigger coaches when I’m done with small CGs and boondocking. What years/models had issues? I see the 37’ models were 14,600 in 2015 and 2016, but also gained 3000lbs in 2016, and then went to 15,200 in 2017. Was that the issue?

I’ll most likely go to a MA if I end up un the 40’ market, DS if 37’, but it’s always good to know which models had problems.
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Freightliner rates the front axle at 13,880 and. rear GAWR 14,000 with a build date of Jul. 2016.

Newmar rates the front axle at 13,300 and rear GAWR 14,000 with. a build date of. Sept 2016.

GVWR is 37,300 with 7221 CCC\

Real CAT scale =. 12,580 front 20,440 rear GVW 33,020 loadede for 30 day trip
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We have a 2016 VTDP 3709 with the following axle weights...
Front: 12,400 lb.
.Rear: 24,000 lb. (duals)
We have had no issues staying within these weights. Close but not over. We did have an alignment issue up front that resulted in some uneven tire wear that was mitigated by a re-alignment and tire rotation. No, with 37,000 miles on her, original tires look like they still have lots of miles on them. Stored indoors.
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