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Old 03-05-2009, 03:58 PM   #1
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It's sad that Monaco may not be in business anymore, but maybe Warren Buffet or
another investor will rescue them. Being a public company is both a blessing
and a curse. It can raise money for the company and make the owners rich.
However, the curses are numerous. You're usually not as nimble because of the
layers of management. Audits and SEC filings are extremely expensive. But, IMO
the biggest curse is that the pressure to perform each quarter is enormous. It
can cause companies to make short-term decisions instead of doing what's best
for the company long-term. Making ill-advised acquisitions or blowing out
inventory at the end of the quarter to make the numbers can be the start of a
slow death.

I think Monaco's decision to sell a national chain a ton of motorhomes at huge
discounts a few months ago was the beginning of the end. While I'm sure they
felt it was something they needed to do to keep their line moving and their
workers working, it angered the existing dealers as they had promised in their
much ballyhooed "Franchise of the Future" that every dealer would pay the same
price. Newmar was approached a couple of years ago by the same chain to give
them special discounts and they refused.

Newmar has been under no pressure to perform each quarter and have the luxury to
think long-term. They've saved their money over the years and stayed debt-free.
They've invested in R&D and got a headstart on everyone with the motorhome
slide-out. They've been very innovative over the years. They only build units
that are sold to either dealers for stock or special orders for customers. If
the orders slow down, they just slow down their production or shut it down
completely until they accumulate a few weeks of orders.

Right now, they are about the only game in town that will do extensive specials.
They are getting full price for their units and passing along any supplier
increases. The next one was announced last week and will take effect March 23.
Very small, but still an increase. Every few weeks they have to repurchase
units that a west or east coast dealer defaults on, but most all of those units
are repurchased below invoice and resold to the existing dealers. They don't
have hundreds of dealers, so their exposure is less than most. I assume that
the money they make on the units their building now helps defray the cost of
some repurchases. Clearly, business is not great for any of the manufacturers,
but there are quite a few treading water or losing money slowly.

Today's Newmar buyer has a choice between ordering a perfect custom coach at
full price or buy a maybe not so perfect coach for them at a large discount.
That has kept the distressed units moving well and the special orders have been
coming in. There's seems to be significant pent-up demand. We just had the
best February in our history. Every department set an all-time February record.
It seems that buyers are realizing that this is the best RV buyer's market EVER
if you're looking for a 2007 or 2008 repo or a pre-owned coach.

In the public sector I think that Winnebago, Thor and Forest River are very
strong. In the private sector, Newmar, Jayco and Tiffin are in good shape, IMO.
I've had in-depth discussions with Newmar and Jayco and they are in good shape.
Of course, I can't prove that because they're private corporations. But, I
trust what they tell me and they've always been straight with me. Some of these
relationships are 20, 30 years old.

The biggest problem out there now is dealer financing, not customer financing.
We're getting virtually everything we sell financed. They might have to put a
little more down and they most definitely have to produce more proof of income,
tax returns, etc. than before, but they do get financing.

Dealer inventory financing is another story. The credit markets are still
pretty much froze up for dealers. There are only 3 national lenders left in the
game due to recent consolidations and others deciding to get out. The 3 left
try to figure out ways of keeping the dealer from accessing their credit line.
It's brutal and it's killing the manufacturers, too. Dealers want to buy
product from them, but can't. Customers want to see the unit before they buy,
but can't. I've had to bring in several lower end trailers COD (can't afford to
do diesels COD!) because of all the red tape. Customers are purchasing
half-million dollar Newmars without seeing them first, because of the discounts,
but it's still a tougher sale.

Supposedly, the TALF/TARP bill will unfreeze the credit lines for dealers, but
it hasn't happened yet. When it does, the deep discount deals will disappear
quickly. That will likely happen in the next few weeks, just as seasonal demand
increases. The manufacturers left standing should benefit quickly.


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Lee,,,I was fortunate enough to be able to buy a new 2008 Newmar Dutch Star Model 4354 at a large discount as you just described above. I was not ready to make the jump because of the economy, but When I got a cash only price of about $40,000.00 below dealer cost, I just had to make the move. And I am happy I did. I am paying them to deliver the coach to me, (approx 1,800 miles). As a matter of fact the driver just called me about 2 hours ago and told me just got to my town and was checked in at the local Motel.. Very excited to drive my new coach home in the morning....Vacman
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Old 03-05-2009, 05:09 PM   #3
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Lee -

I enjoyed reading your insightful post very much. Thanks for posting it.

About the ony thing I'd like to add to your post is my thoughts about Thor. Although they may have entered this recession flush with cash and were therefore better able to initially weather this recession than many other RV manufacturers, I'm not so sure how well they are really doing now, and it is an interesting exercise to compare Thor's management style to Newmar. The comparison might best be illustrated by looking at Airstream - Thor's flagship RV.

For anyone that might be interested, one only has to go to airforums.com (an internet forum for Airstream owners and enthusiasts, with about 30,000 registered users) to see multitudes (literally hundreds) of comments coming from unhappy Airstream owners who are/have not been happy about the quality of their Airstreams, and how they feel they have been mistreated by Thor/Airstream management in the past several years.

I certainly respect Newmar for not only building a top quality, innovative product, as you've mentioned, but also for the fact that they treat their customers the same way they would want to be treated. That's certainly going to be another factor, in my opionion, that will ultimately impact which companies survive this recession.

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Old 03-05-2009, 07:40 PM   #4
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Great post!

I've been looking at new 07-08 holdover MADP's for the better part of a year. Some of the ones I viewed 6-8 months ago are still available. I'm seriously considering making the upgrade plunge within the next few weeks. I've been told by a couple of dealers that 40% off MSRP on an 08 MADP should be quite possible. If not, it's not going to be worth it - the values of these things are sure to continue to drop like sacks of potatoes.

In either event, thanks again for the post. I agree with your assessment - Newmar is a fantastic company with an excellent reputation for innovation and technology. My only regret is not buying a Newmar sooner.

Vacman - Congrats on your purchase. I love that floorplan. Enjoy.
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Old 03-06-2009, 01:49 AM   #5
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Lee, nice write up.

While this is the biggest buyers market ever. It also seems that is true for used. I would guess that the number of "clean" deals (no trades) has increased but, trade-ups are still slumping. i.e. while the price of new has dropped so has used, so trade-up customers have less benefit.

Just an hypothesis I have. Wondering if that is what you are seeing.
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Old 03-06-2009, 02:35 AM   #6
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Nice write up Lee,

Although Monaco's selling to the national chain, I believe, was their last gasp to survive.

Having seen a similiar thing happen in the 90s with the big boat industry, due to the excise tax, where many major manufacturers shut down only to reappear five years later much stronger. Used boats were non-existant or way overpriced causing anyone in the late 90s wanting one to buy new at much higher prices. Could see the same thing happen in the RV industry in a few years.
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Really nice factual post. Thanks. It is nice to see someone who actually knows what is happening instead of guessing what is happening post. It is easy to see why Newmar is still there if you own one...We are on our second one and they are just built right!!

What does bother me is that I see Newmar losing some very good dealers...That cannot go on forever, Maybe they will get some more exposure through some of the dealers that are losing other franchises like National or Country Coach or Monaco....I know some really good dealers who either have gone under or have had to stop dealing Newmars. That is worrisome.
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Lee, Thanks for giving us your side of the story. Was talking to a dealer Monday and he said the same things you brought up. Money will eventually free up and the market will improve,but, in the mean time it's going to be tough for the dealers. Hang in there!!
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Great info,
Anyone have info as to how American Coach is holding up?
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Great info,
Anyone have info as to how American Coach is holding up?
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There are several threads on this in our Fleetwood forum.
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I think American is a Fleetwood product and they have recently filled chapter 11.
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We had a nice caouple pull in next to us this week with a new 09 Excusion. They have owned it just over a week. They had no clue that the company just filed and were horrified that the warranty might be gone before they even started.
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