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Old 08-26-2020, 04:23 AM   #99
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I wish they had given us the heads up on PT wood a few decades ago. You're not even supposed to let your dog lay on a fresh PT deck.
Cant imagine how much PT sawdust I have inhaled during my lifetime.
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I wish they had given us the heads up on PT wood a few decades ago. You're not even supposed to let your dog lay on a fresh PT deck.
Cant imagine how much PT sawdust I have inhaled during my lifetime.
Living is hazardous to your health.
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Old 08-28-2020, 09:35 PM   #101
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Why go thru the hassle and extra expense and hazardous material handling of the poisonous Pressure Treated wood ? Doesn't sound like you hang on to it long enough for any real benefits.


I hope everyone using PT is handling it with gloves. That stuff is nasty !


I use PT because the blocks are in ground contact, get wet every time it rains and quite often sit in puddles after the rain.

Older PT was nasty, the newer treatment is much less so.
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Old 08-29-2020, 09:17 AM   #102
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I wish they had given us the heads up on PT wood a few decades ago. You're not even supposed to let your dog lay on a fresh PT deck.
Cant imagine how much PT sawdust I have inhaled during my lifetime.
I don't know where you guys are getting you pressure treated wood, but over the last 40 - 50 years we haven't seen any cersote used. Hundreds of thousands of homes get a deck built each year using pressure treated wood, no mass death as a result. Cresote has not been used in consumer products for decades.

It's my opinion that modern pressure treated wood is safe for consumer use or the major nation home improvements brands would not be selling those products. My research back this up.

It's an opinion, worth what you paid for it.
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Probably not a concern to the weekend deck builder or RV pad chopper, but more of a serious issue for pros with long-term exposure.

Chrominated Copper Arsenate (CCA) was not banned until 2009.

Pressure-treated wood is now treated with Alkaline Copper (AC) and Quaternary Ammonium Compounds (ACQ).

Inhalation of wood dust which has been permeated with ACQ chemicals can result in extreme inflammation. Repeated exposure can cause permanent irritation to the bronchial tubes resulting in asthma, greater likelihood of upper respiratory tract infection, or prolonged colds. In some cases, bronchitis can become chronic even after exposure to the dust is minimized. Monoethanolamine is a highly corrosive substance which if inhaled in larger quantities can create damage to the lungs and nervous system. Didecyldimethylammonium chloride is dangerously caustic in significant doses and can scar lungs, throat, and cause ongoing respiratory issues.
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You can remove all the chemicals from consideration because saw dust from any wood even simple KD (kiln dried) is an irritant to your lungs, the chemicals simple exacerbate the issue.
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Playing with my jacks today, trying to lube the cylinders to make the right rear play nice and rise with his 3 brothers. No real change,.... at least not enough to make me happy. It doesn’t take much effort with a pry bar to get it to rise, so I wonder if fresh springs would be worth a try.
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Playing with my jacks today, trying to lube the cylinders to make the right rear play nice and rise with his 3 brothers. No real change,.... at least not enough to make me happy. It doesn’t take much effort with a pry bar to get it to rise, so I wonder if fresh springs would be worth a try.
Swap one of the springs that is working with the one that isn't.

See if the problem moves to another location.
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Swap one of the springs that is working with the one that isn't.

See if the problem moves to another location.
Normally I would agree with that troubleshooting idea, but for the work it takes to change them I would just replace with new ones.
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Probably not a concern to the weekend deck builder or RV pad chopper, but more of a serious issue for pros with long-term exposure.

Chrominated Copper Arsenate (CCA) was not banned until 2009.

Pressure-treated wood is now treated with Alkaline Copper (AC) and Quaternary Ammonium Compounds (ACQ).

Inhalation of wood dust which has been permeated with ACQ chemicals can result in extreme inflammation. Repeated exposure can cause permanent irritation to the bronchial tubes resulting in asthma, greater likelihood of upper respiratory tract infection, or prolonged colds. In some cases, bronchitis can become chronic even after exposure to the dust is minimized. Monoethanolamine is a highly corrosive substance which if inhaled in larger quantities can create damage to the lungs and nervous system. Didecyldimethylammonium chloride is dangerously caustic in significant doses and can scar lungs, throat, and cause ongoing respiratory issues.
Your absolutely correct the biggest danger is to those working in the plants that treat the wood and to a lessor extent those that install the product. You must follow the manufactures instruction when installing, including what protective gear should be used.

My opinion remains that once the treating and cutting is done, it is safe for consumers to use and enjoy.
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Playing with my jacks today, trying to lube the cylinders to make the right rear play nice and rise with his 3 brothers. No real change,.... at least not enough to make me happy. It doesn’t take much effort with a pry bar to get it to rise, so I wonder if fresh springs would be worth a try.


The BEST thing you can do for your slides is to extend them ALL the way, spray them with WD-40 (or use HWH fluid) wipe them clean several times including the seals, then spray again with WD-40. If there are no issues they will all retract within 2 minutes. If not you can replace the springs, but most likely you have a bent ram and the jack will need to be replaced. Obviously try moving the springs first.
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Obviously try moving the springs first.

moving ? Do you mean swapping them with a jack that retracts normally ?



I'm happy to try a fresh set of springs. Recommend anywhere particular for new ones ?
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Dr Dave, "retract within 2 minutes" is something that no one ever told me. I frequently confused my hwh system by over-clicking when I first got my coach. I didn't know one needed to wait for the system to "think about it" for a while before raising or lowering Jack's.
"What's wrong with this Thing? It's not working. Oh, nevermind."

Some youtubers are using the 3-m dry lubricants on jacks---they claim it doesn't collect dust like a wd40 or lithium would.
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for us "older" owners, its been over 20 years now hearing what non-Alpine owners think about things on our coaches .... fact is, HWH recommends WD-40 or hydraulic fluid for CLEANING [HWH rams are self-lubing], then wipe it down--don't over think this stuff--choose wisely grasshoppers....
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