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Old 09-01-2014, 06:49 PM   #15
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The best measure is to actually weigh the unit. Ratings are just that, ratings, not actual weight.

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The best measure is to actually weigh the unit. Ratings are just that, ratings, not actual weight.

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But isn't the UVW supposed to be an actual measured (scaled) figure?
The additional additions to that (to be subtracted from the GVWR) are scientific fact as in the weight of water, propane, people (154# avg!), etc.
As I see it, the only "ratings" are the GVWR & GCWR. What is to question if the above are true.
I do believe that weighing your rig occasionally is good practice in order to assure you are not over under the "ratings" and to check the balance of the weights but this should not be necessary to assess whether a given model weighs a certain amount or not.

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But isn't the UVW supposed to be an actual measured (scaled) figure?
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Some manufacturers , do weigh each of their units , and produce the onboard weight stickers , according to that scaled weight; but many do not. They weight the first unit of the model run then do calculations based on option weight, for the stickers. So getting a scale weight, prior to purchase to confirm UVW, is a good idea.
I don't believe that the method of obtaining the UVW for the sticker, is mandated. The manufacturer produces the sticker , but the wording can be different from one maker to the next. Read carefully .
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Old 09-03-2014, 10:57 AM   #18
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Cool Factory sticker

The UVW is for stock unit no options, that is the legal requirement for the sticker.

Now some manufacturer's may go beyond that, the good one for all of us with National's is they didn't have many options so our rigs should be close to the weights listed.

Now the down side is that weight adds up fast which is why we recommend on the forums to weigh YOUR coach the way YOU roll down the highway as YMMV!
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Old 09-04-2014, 12:05 AM   #19
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Steve, This may help. We own a 2004 Dolphin 5342 which I think is the same as the 2005. I weighed ours with full gasoline, propane, 1/2 tank of fresh water and most of our stuff (we've added things over time). Here are the actual weights,

Left Front, 3800#
Left Rear 6780#

Right Front 3500#
Right Rear 6420#

Left Side 10580#
Right side 9920#

I added 120# for DW to the right side

That gives me a total weight of 20,620#.

The GCWR is 26,000#.

My sticker says;

GVWR =22,000#
Minus UVW =19,070#
Minus fresh water, 80 Gal @ 8.3 lb/gal =664#
Minus LP gas 19 Gal @ 4.2 lb/gal =80#
Minus SCWR 4 persons @ 154 lb =616#
CCC =1570
GCWR =26000#

We run front tires at 90#
rear tire at 85#

Handles perfect, stops perfect, accelerates perfect.

Hope this helps.
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This the sticker our 06 Dolphin 5355 and as you can see the numbers are small. Do not assume a diesel will have big CCC. We were recently looking at a 40' Country Coach Inspire and it only had I believe 2400lbs CCC. Roughly 600 lbs more than Dolphin and we jumping from 22K to 38K chassis!
That is true!
When we ordered our present 2002 DSDP I looked at the weight figures and found that it had 5,300#'s of NCC so I wasn't worried. But when it came in (and after I signed the paperwork) I found it only had 663#'s of CCC and all of that was on the rear. If I filled to fuel tank (150 gal) and the propane tank (40 gal, 32 usable) I was overweight by 50#'s and that was before we ever loaded anything or even got onboard ourselves.
To Newmar's credit they did have Spartan replace the 12,000# front axle with a 14,600# unit and Spartan inspected the unit and said I had a 20,000# rear axle and there was no reason for Newmar to have rated it at 19,000#'s. But to use the full capacity of the new front axle I had to go to 305/70 tires in front.
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Thanks a bunch, that's exactly what I need!
My quasi-navigator (my actual navigator weighs a measly Garmin 8 oz!) said I'd have to adjust the passenger weight but ... with a smile.

A couple of follow-up questions:
How would you phrase your cargo load? In other words, any idea what your rig would weigh with just water (1/2), propane & fuel?
My calculations show your scaled figures to include about 370# of cargo. That sound about right? Seems light for including food, clothes, books, basement goodies and other stuff!

We tend to travel with more tools, more spare parts, more of probably everything than we need and it adds up. We also have prob a couple hundred pounds in books. All added up, our scaled figures show about 1725# of cargo total. Would you say your cargo is anywhere near what we're used to bringing full-timing?

What kind of MPG do you get? Driving style?
I tend to be mostly a 55 mph kind of driver who only uses the the brakes hard when panic stopping and drives like there is an egg on the accelerator pedal.

Thanks again, Steve
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We are not Full timers so we don't carry a lot of extra stuff. The weights do include all the items we take each trip, chairs & small table, bbq, lg tool box, a few extra parts, vacuum, air compressor, fresh & drain hoses, etc.
It doesn’t include food and most clothing, which we add for each trip. But it does include things like jackets, under clothes, towels and sheets which stay in the MH all the time.
I'm a 60 MPH guy mostly unless we're out in the boonies where I'll do 65MPH. We average 8 MPG and I'm happy with that, I didn't buy a MH expecting great gas mileage. The two just don't go together. I don't drive like there is an egg on the gas pedal but I don't floor it either. We've made a few panic stops and I'm always surprised how quickly it stops.

On a side note, we went to a MotorHome show in Pomona CA last year and walked through about 75 MHs from gassers to $300,000 diesels and couldn't find a MH that compared to our Dolphin for quality, storage (inside & out) and overall livability.

Good luck with your search.

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Steve, This may help. We own a 2004 Dolphin 5342 which I think is the same as the 2005. I weighed ours with full gasoline, propane, 1/2 tank of fresh water and most of our stuff (we've added things over time). Here are the actual weights,

Left Front, 3800#
Left Rear 6780#

Right Front 3500#
Right Rear 6420#

Left Side 10580#
Right side 9920#

I added 120# for DW to the right side

That gives me a total weight of 20,620#.

The GCWR is 26,000#.

My sticker says;

GVWR =22,000#
Minus UVW =19,070#
Minus fresh water, 80 Gal @ 8.3 lb/gal =664#
Minus LP gas 19 Gal @ 4.2 lb/gal =80#
Minus SCWR 4 persons @ 154 lb =616#
CCC =1570
GCWR =26000#

We run front tires at 90#
rear tire at 85#

Handles perfect, stops perfect, accelerates perfect.

Hope this helps.
Find it hard to believe that with "most of your stuff" loaded you have over 430lbs of CCC than the factory said the coach would have with nothing in it. You should weigh when loaded and ready to roll, all that "stuff" we put in adds up fast. We run right at the 22K with only 1/3 tank of water, the two of us and the 14lb dog!
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Find it hard to believe that with "most of your stuff" loaded you have over 430lbs of CCC than the factory said the coach would have with nothing in it. You should weigh when loaded and ready to roll, all that "stuff" we put in adds up fast. We run right at the 22K with only 1/3 tank of water, the two of us and the 14lb dog!
My first thought as well, but it does calculate properly and logically -

His scaled weight of 20500# is 1550# over the UVW of 19070#
Add up:
75 Gal Fuel = 458
Propane = 101
1/2 (40gal) H2O = 332
2 people = 308
Clothes, etc = 351
TOTAL aboard at scales = 1550#

Theoretically, that leaves about 1380# more to reach GVWR (2200 minus 19070 minus 1500). Adding back in the Clothes, etc of 351#, I come up with an actual "Personal CCC" of approx. 1720#

Unfortunately, I just recalculated what our actual "personal cargo" weighs. Using scaled figure and being very liberal with our add-on permanent loads (Extra batteries, Solar panels, inverter, awnings, added leaf springs, Saf-T-Steer, etc, etc), our cargo comes up to 2034# (that with a full H2O tank and still 100# under our GVWR).
So, with our same cargo, we'd be about 300+# over the Dolphin GVWR. With no buffer.

AND there is no accounting in the Dolphin figures for all our add-ons!
If I add those in (1400#), I have about 300# for all of our "life" to fit in!

Am I missing something?
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In a word ; NO . You're not missing anything.

There is a lot of truth to the statement, and I believe it was made by a long haul trucker; who had just been ticketed for over weight; and repeated many times. " If RVs were subject to the same weight and scale visit rules that the trucks are, over 50% of them would be taken off the road."
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