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Old 07-25-2016, 07:46 PM   #1
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Considering a 2008 Sea Breeze...should we??

Hey guys. Need some quick advice before traveling 15hrs to look at a 08 37ft v10 sea breeze. It looks clean, but I'm worried about Nationals delamination problems. Were 08s part of the effected models? Should I steer clear and keep shopping? can't afford to take 3 days off work (it's not easy to get time off) if these things are typically plagued with issues. And what's up with that weird 2 slide bedroom slide within a slide?? Are those reliable?

It did have 2 previous leaks...both were apparently fixed. One was the bathroom window. Apparently the wallpaper is wrinkled.
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Opinion.....the V10 is a gas hog.....right now gas is cheap, but it will not be cheap forever. Rook
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Old 07-25-2016, 08:02 PM   #3
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Old 07-26-2016, 05:41 AM   #4
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As a Seabreeze v-10 owner allow me to opine. Gas hog? Moving 12 tons of material down the road takes some energy, regardless of what engine, my v-10 gives me 5-6 mpg hauling me, my wife, kids and grand children, our "vacation home", all our stuff and pulling along my Chevy Malibu. If I drive my Nissan Titan to work in traffic hauling just myself it gives me about 10-11 mpg, put the boat behind it and maybe 8-9, so pound for pound the v-10 is doing great in my book! Plus smooth as silk and powerful, I have no complaint there.

The Sea Breeze is superior in construction, fit and finish to most competitors I looked at....way superior in many cases. The delamination issue I am not sure about that being a huge issue. Mine has an issue about and inch or so up from the bottom of the panels, swelling is what I would call it, appears to be water wicking up from the hinges of the compartment doors, there is some discussion on here about it, don't know what to make of it, but compared to what I see out there on others, not a major issue for me. I see Winne's, and other brands same vintage as mine with MAJOR delam issues, whole panels and sections. Leaks come about as a result of maintenance failures, not properly re-sealing roof mainly, or possibly poor construction methods (not case in Nationals). Had small leak in mine around the skylight over shower, addressed immediately and fixed. No big deal.

ANY motorhome you look at will evoke positive and negative responses, based on experience. Mostly seems like internet reviews are gripe sessions. Do your homework, check the unit out, and go. Never regretted mine for a minute, 6 years and 30,000 miles into mine I am Happy.

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Old 07-26-2016, 03:54 PM   #5
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Thanks for the opinions so far. I currently have a V10 37ft class A. Ive considered a pusher, but diesel fuel isn't cheap here, nor is the maintenance cost. I used to work for a Ford dealer anyway, so Im comfortable with them.

I basically was looking for whether or not they were above average or below in terms of delam etc. Some RVs are prone to delam, no matter what. I used to own a Coachmen, and that particular model was prone to delam in certain climates, regardless of maintenance.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:01 PM   #6
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Jon,

I worked at National RV for 9 years, right up until right before the end. I was in marketing. The delamination issues were a few years before that coach was built, I wouldn't really worry about that. And it was an issue that manifested quickly after the coach was built--if its gone nearly 10 years and still looks good at this point, its most likely not going to have the issue NRV was dealing with back then. National had long since changed vendors and processes from those that had been causing all of the problems. I wasn't in engineering so I don't recall the exact details, but it was something about the FRP panels off-gassing to the interior of the wall, and causing the adhesive and foam insulation to literally dissolve within the laminated wall. It didn't kill the company outright, but it weakened NRV enough that it wasn't strong enough to weather the economic problems that turned up later.

What I would be more concerned about is that your coach was built very near the end for NRV. There may be build quality issues not related to design, but rather to workmanship by possibly under-motivated workers while the company was in its last days. Perhaps those previous leaks around the windows is a manifestation of that. A thorough PDI would be in order.

With regards to the telescoping slide ("Slide+1" LOL...somewhere in my files I still have a sheet of possible logos I had drawn for that) A friend of mine who was in product development has his name on the patent. Anyhow we thought it was a great idea, but there were a lot of engineering issues to overcome. And since we weren't around to see how they held up over the years, I can't offer any insight as to their reliability. I'd be interested to hear though! I wonder how many were actually built with that feature? It was introduced near the end.

I loved National RV and for years had considered getting one when we were ready to move up from a trailer to a motorhome. I still believe NRV made great products for the market segments they competed in. But I think you just need to be aware that particular coach was built during a tumultuous time for the company, so be vigilant in your inspection.
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Dusty,
What a great reply to Jon's post.
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Yes....wow. Thank you so much for that reply Dusty!! I appreciate the amount of thought you put into it. I can tell you're passionate about the work you did, and about the company, but Im glad you are candid about things. We will keep this all in mind.

The TeleSlide is interesting, and a cool concept. There are a few examples online of them, but no info whatsoever on reliability. I can't even find a copy of the 2008 brochure (08 saw a large design change from 07). I know Monaco used that design (they bought the rights to it??) shortly after, but I can't even find much info on them either.
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Just wanted to thank you all once again. Picked up the 08 last week!! Sharp looking motor coach!
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As a Seabreeze v-10 owner allow me to opine. Gas hog? Moving 12 tons of material down the road takes some energy, regardless of what engine, my v-10 gives me 5-6 mpg hauling me, my wife, kids and grand children, our "vacation home", all our stuff and pulling along my Chevy Malibu. If I drive my Nissan Titan to work in traffic hauling just myself it gives me about 10-11 mpg, put the boat behind it and maybe 8-9, so pound for pound the v-10 is doing great in my book! Plus smooth as silk and powerful, I have no complaint there.

The Sea Breeze is superior in construction, fit and finish to most competitors I looked at....way superior in many cases. The delamination issue I am not sure about that being a huge issue. Mine has an issue about and inch or so up from the bottom of the panels, swelling is what I would call it, appears to be water wicking up from the hinges of the compartment doors, there is some discussion on here about it, don't know what to make of it, but compared to what I see out there on others, not a major issue for me. I see Winne's, and other brands same vintage as mine with MAJOR delam issues, whole panels and sections. Leaks come about as a result of maintenance failures, not properly re-sealing roof mainly, or possibly poor construction methods (not case in Nationals). Had small leak in mine around the skylight over shower, addressed immediately and fixed. No big deal.

ANY motorhome you look at will evoke positive and negative responses, based on experience. Mostly seems like internet reviews are gripe sessions. Do your homework, check the unit out, and go. Never regretted mine for a minute, 6 years and 30,000 miles into mine I am Happy.

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I have the 1350 model of the Sea Breeze line, we have been very happy with it we also pull a Malibu my MPG is around 6.5 to 7. National made a great product we have had very few problems the Power Gear Jacks and slide out mechanisms work perfectly even after hundreds of cycles. We have no delamination issues. I try to keep up with sealants.
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Don't know if the information in the below is still current. If it is the person may be of some assistance. Although, since the OP is in Canada if it will be of much help for him. We love our Dolphin.

http://www.irv2.com/forums/f105/poss...ce-222890.html
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Just wanted to thank you all once again. Picked up the 08 last week!! Sharp looking motor coach!
And it has the newest good V-10 for sure!
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Just purchased an 08 Sea Breeze and although we haven't put a lot of miles on it, really love it so far. Lots of neat add-on bells and whistles on this boat. And the 8.1 moves it right down....or up... the hills.


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