What's Fair Price for 35 ft 2007 SeaBreeze LX (M8341)?

[viper]

Thinking of trading our current Winnebago 30B for the above that has 16K miles. Inside and outside the Seabreeze is in excellent condition and has a Ford Chassis. Dealer has an asking price of $72,995 on it. Trying to figure out what's a fair price to offer dealer? The MSRP sticker shows a build price of $118,819. Current NADA values are:
Low Retail: $56,471 -Average Retail: $68,044
Have to trade in our 04 Winnebago Sightseer 30B -15K miles on Ford chassis. I know dealers won't give you much better than Wholesale in trade and I have no idea what that value is? I know it's lower than Low Retail on the Sightseer. Does anyone have access to a dealer price book that shows current trade in value for the Sightseer?

I'm thinking of starting with an offer of Low retail on Seabreeze and figure I'll get a trade in of Wholesale on the Sightseer. I realize it's an "orphan" now and I'm not sure how much that figures into the equation? Am I thinking right or way off base??

I'd appreciate any suggestions since I've never owned a National product before. Thanks for your help.
Viper

[desobelman]

Viper,

You did not mention where you live? What State? The location has an effect on pricing.

National made a very good motorhome. Top quality. I think you are in the ballpark offering the low retail and then let them counter. Nationals hold their value pretty well, as their reputation is high among experienced RVr's..

Another place to get some good advice is on the National RV Yahoo Group Site.

Good luck.

Darryl

[clyon51]

If you can pick it apart and make a case for it being an orphan (which makes no difference to you) I would hit him with $55g. Besides, dealers will add 20% and get what they can. That puts it at $56g anyway. There are of course a lot of variables, but thats where I'd start.

[SteveLevin]

Toss out all the options on the NADA pricing, which is what you should do, and the low is 48. That's the most I'd want to be, personally, even if it's perfect. When we bought our coach in March we paid not quite 20% under low NADA with no options included.

IMHO, too many nice 2002-2004 vintage DP's out there for 60k, if you want to spend that money, and the difference between a gasser and a DP is night and day.

Steve

[desobelman]

Viper,

Would still like to know where you live. Pricing is a little different area to area. The 8341 is actually a 34 footer. The 1350 is the 35 foot model. A friend has the 1350 on the Ford V-10 and has no problem with power. Only problem with the F53 chassis is the ride. Needs steering stabilizers and anti-sway bars in the rear. If it has the original Bilsteins, I would trade up to Konis. makes a BIG difference in rode and handling.

Good luck, and let us know what you do.

Darryl

[Mr_D]

Originally Posted by SteveLevin

Toss out all the options on the NADA pricing, which is what you should do, and the low is 48. That's the most I'd want to be, personally, even if it's perfect. When we bought our coach in March we paid not quite 20% under low NADA with no options included.

IMHO, too many nice 2002-2004 vintage DP's out there for 60k, if you want to spend that money, and the difference between a gasser and a DP is night and day.

Steve

The dealer tosses out the options when buying, then adds them in when selling.
One of the "troubles" with NADA is that you have to know what was standard on each model. On our DSDP they list the 10 gallon water heater in the options, but it's standard. They also list different size slides in the options, but on a 4090 three are standard. Microwave is standard, but they list it as an option. However we have the GE Advantium which is not even listed as an option and was an add'l $700+ in 2002.
So watch how you figure the price/value.

[clyon51]

Originally Posted by desobelman

Only problem with the F53 chassis is the ride. Needs steering stabilizers and anti-sway bars in the rear.

The F53 has always had front and rear anti-sway bars. They are also adjustable for even more anti-sway control from stock.

[Richard S.]

Starting in 2006 FORD also added a front track bar to the F 53 chassis.