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UCBearcat · 06-06-2013, 01:59 PM

Have my '06 Allegro setting on the jacks next to the house. Due to the slope of the driveway normally when the coach is level only the passenger side front wheel is off the ground slightly and I have had no problems with running the 2 slides out when I am working on cleaning the interior. As the coach sits now when level all the wheels on the passenger side are off the ground about 2 inches or so and just yesterday I ran the bedroom slide out for the first time since being back from a recent maintenance trip to work in the area and now the slide will not move back into the closed position. I checked the fuse box and found it ok as well as the breaker box circuits. I wonder if there is a lock out on the motors for the slide if the wheels are off the ground or something else is going on. Am confused about what the problem may be. Any suggestions????

paz · 06-07-2013, 01:29 PM

On our '05 Allegro Bay, there is an interlock that prevents the slide from operating if the key is in the run position. On 2 occasions, the relay that operates the interlock stuck. You can try turning the key on and off several times to see if the problem clears. If not, you can try tapping on the relay with a screwdriver handle a couple of times. The interlock relays are in the compartment in front of the front tire on the passenger side.

UCBearcat · 06-09-2013, 12:24 PM

Will give it a try.........one thing though is that I tried the front living room slide and it will operate both in and out.......I'm thinking it is the motor(s) for the BR slide since I just had the step motor replaced in May probably due to the amount of use it gets. When boondocking I have noticed that some RV'rs put out their BR slide while parked for the night and mine may have been used this way before I bought it in 2011. Just a thought.

62Morgan · 06-21-2013, 11:29 AM

Assume your house battery array is up to 12.7 volts?. Agree that relay might be sticking. Also, Look under the bed for possible wiring issues. Phone call to Red Bay service will give you a troubleshooting sequence that you can try. Might try to do a motor "test" with auto battery jumper.

BTW: Totally unsafe situation to have 3 tires off-the-ground! .What are you thinking? Individual wheel ramps can be fabricated from plywood and 2x boards so that your park brakes are holding something more than thin air. Dangerous situate you've made for yourself and others nearby. The entire passenger side has no parking brake securement whatsoever!

\ Please, Get those wheels onto solid bearing, asap.

BCooke · 06-21-2013, 12:33 PM

I forget is the bedroom slide electric or hydraulic?
If electric. Does it try? We had issues with both a broken bolt and a slide out of kilter 2 desperate times in the living room (drivers side) (no problems kitchen side, hydraulic) Do not remember any bedroom problems.

Edit: father's 06 bus.

62Morgan · 06-21-2013, 01:57 PM

We've already determined that it's an electric motor operator on his '06 Allegro bed assembly.

Here's my check-off:
First requirement : Must have a well-charged battery. A 50-60% charge is just too weak.
Second: Check the linkage mechanism. When wall switch is activated, does the motor shaft rotate? If no, Then, it's either a power interruption or motor failure issue.
Third: test for power to the motor when switch is activated. No juice?-then we have an upstream problem.

You get the idea...

BCooke · 06-21-2013, 05:58 PM

Bad connection also possible. Have had to lay in the bay as father extended and retracted it. Had a large voltage drop due to bad connection.

gemini5362 · 06-23-2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 62Morgan

Assume your house battery array is up to 12.7 volts?. Agree that relay might be sticking. Also, Look under the bed for possible wiring issues. Phone call to Red Bay service will give you a troubleshooting sequence that you can try. Might try to do a motor "test" with auto battery jumper.

BTW: Totally unsafe situation to have 3 tires off-the-ground! .What are you thinking? Individual wheel ramps can be fabricated from plywood and 2x boards so that your park brakes are holding something more than thin air. Dangerous situate you've made for yourself and others nearby. The entire passenger side has no parking brake securement whatsoever!

\ Please, Get those wheels onto solid bearing, asap.

Not sure what you mean by the entire passenger side parking brake has no parking brake securement whatsoever. Is the passenger side going somewhere without the driver side ? The driver side rear parking brake is locked down due to lack of air pressure. Plus the 4 jacks that are down with the two on the passenger side having half of the coach weight on them are going to be pretty well pressed into the area under the bus. I do not understand why you think that is a dangerous situation.

62Morgan · 06-25-2013, 01:52 PM

Most manufacturer pamphlets warn of subjecting the lift rams to undue lateral loads. I can see where you would think it square-n-secure; but hear me out here.

The rig's leveling jacks are designed solely to hold up the rig.[ Not to keep it from moving side to side or front to back.] If you lift one rear wheelset off the ground, then the rig can move forward or back. Lift both sets on one side, with only the vertical jacks left for support, you have a “hinged” static load condition in-lieu-of the former “fixed” condition provided by the second locked wheelset. You now have only one “anchored” point and three spindly pivot points. Lift the second rear wheelset clear of the ground and you have a “card table” susceptible to simple sideways pressure from any direction, to twist everything.

My comment is purely for safety’s sake; not meant in any insulting manner. Any rear wheelset clear of the ground is absolutely unstable, unsafe and could be costly.

gemini5362 · 06-26-2013, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 62Morgan

Most manufacturer pamphlets warn of subjecting the lift rams to undue lateral loads. I can see where you would think it square-n-secure; but hear me out here.

The rig's leveling jacks are designed solely to hold up the rig.[ Not to keep it from moving side to side or front to back.] If you lift one rear wheelset off the ground, then the rig can move forward or back. Lift both sets on one side, with only the vertical jacks left for support, you have a “hinged” static load condition in-lieu-of the former “fixed” condition provided by the second locked wheelset. You now have only one “anchored” point and three spindly pivot points. Lift the second rear wheelset clear of the ground and you have a “card table” susceptible to simple sideways pressure from any direction, to twist everything.

My comment is purely for safety’s sake; not meant in any insulting manner. Any rear wheelset clear of the ground is absolutely unstable, unsafe and could be costly.

I personally did not see your comment as insulting I asked the question simply to get your point of view on why you felt that was unsafe. I don't always see all sides to a discussion and I like to see the reasoning for different points of view to think about whether I need to change my thinking on how to do things.

as I am sitting here watching this I am watching a Reality show called Mountain Men. One of the participants in the show scares off mountain lions by having his dogs tree them then he climbs up into a tree and pokes them with a stick to scare them off. From Where I am sitting that is dangerous no matter how you look at it.

UCBearcat · 06-26-2013, 10:16 AM

Thanks to all of you who responded to my problem. First off I replaced both coach batteries with new ones in May this year because they were original ones 7-8 years old and were not holding a charge, and I am on 50amp shore power so I have plenty of power. Secondly, due to the suggestions I received I releveled the coach so that only the passenger side front tire is currently off the ground supported with a chock block as insurance against movement. The jacks are always set down on 12x12 wood block plates I made from treated lumber for stability support. I have to use 2 plates on the right side and one plate on the left side due to the slope of the pavement. Since I have had the coach there has been no problems with the coach sitting this way during storage times. As suggested by 62Morgan the next thing was a call to Red Bay service to get there opinion on the problem. The tech I talked to said to check the motor and wiring under the bed for possible loose connections etc. When I got into the compartment under the bed I checked the wiring and motor, moved the cables around, didn't see anything unusual, turned the ignition on and then tried the switch..."wa lah".. the slide moved in. Gave it 2 tries for insurance. Problem solved!

gemini5362 · 06-27-2013, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by UCBearcat

Thanks to all of you who responded to my problem. First off I replaced both coach batteries with new ones in May this year because they were original ones 7-8 years old and were not holding a charge, and I am on 50amp shore power so I have plenty of power. Secondly, due to the suggestions I received I releveled the coach so that only the passenger side front tire is currently off the ground supported with a chock block as insurance against movement. The jacks are always set down on 12x12 wood block plates I made from treated lumber for stability support. I have to use 2 plates on the right side and one plate on the left side due to the slope of the pavement. Since I have had the coach there has been no problems with the coach sitting this way during storage times. As suggested by 62Morgan the next thing was a call to Red Bay service to get there opinion on the problem. The tech I talked to said to check the motor and wiring under the bed for possible loose connections etc. When I got into the compartment under the bed I checked the wiring and motor, moved the cables around, didn't see anything unusual, turned the ignition on and then tried the switch..."wa lah".. the slide moved in. Gave it 2 tries for insurance. Problem solved!

I hate to rain on a parade but it sounds like you had a loose connection under the bed. When You moved the cables it just made enough connection to work. It has been my experience when that happens it will work just long enough to find a bad opportunity to go out again. You will have the slide open and be wanting to close it to leave somewhere and it will stop again. You might want to look at those connections more closely and see if you have any that need to be tightened. I do not know if they are crimp or how those cables are connected but I would check each individual connection move it around and see if your slide quits working then try to fix that connection.

UCBearcat · 07-03-2013, 07:16 PM

An update to my bedroom slide issue..............and thanks to all who had opinions..... it has been "raining" here in Indiana BUT not "on my parade" as yet. I have run the slide in and out several times and left it out for several hours and it now continues to perform. It is my belief that the whole problem centered upon the fact that the rear tires on that side were initially off the ground and there is some kind of an electrical safety lockout that prevented it from operating UNLESS those wheels were on the ground. Just my theory, and I am confident the problem is resolved at the present time. Again thanks for the suggestions and advice. The experiences of veteran RV'rs on this website is invaluable. Thanks to everyone who responded!!!!