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Old 11-04-2022, 01:09 PM   #1
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LiquidSpring suspension upgrade completed

We picked up out 2022 Allegro Open Road 32SA (on the 24,000 lb chassis) from MS RV Repair in Waco Tx. We parked it there 2 weeks ago to get the LiquidSpring CLASSS suspension system installed.

First impressions: WOW - what an amazing improvement. The massive OEM leaf springs (front and rear) were removed, and the LiquidSpring suspension installed in place. We don't have a lot of miles on it yet, so impressions are very preliminary. We drove home in far north Dallas from Waco (approx. 145 miles) and the most noticeable improvement was the reduction of noise in the coach while driving 65 MPH on I-35. The familiar rattling of whatever always rattles while driving was gone. The jarring and bounce caused by bridge expansion joints was eliminated. The cost was significant, but the reduction of wear and tear on the coach due to bad roads is worth the money spent. Additionally, the ability to lower the coach 5 inches when we park isa huge plus. The leveling pads are 5 inches closer to the ground, ergo are 5 inches less extended. The effect of the lowering is the coach is much more stable on the 4 leveling jacks.

We have a couple of trips planned for this month and next, and that will give us opportunity to get better acquainted with the latest upgrade.

MS RV Repair in Waco handled the suspension work from start to finish. We were referred to MS RV Repair by Wayne Wells, Sales Manager for liquid Spring. They have been installing LiquidSpring systems for several years, so they have experience, and that was a key factor for us

Additionally, MS RV Repair handled several factory recalls and a couple of warranty repairs. They are located in Waco TX, so not particularly handy for us, but given the outstanding quality of work, we will certainly use them again if we have any upgrades or warranty repairs.

Summary - LiquidSpring is not cheap (and it is rumored prices are going up), but our first impression is that we made the right choice.
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Old 11-04-2022, 01:23 PM   #2
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You did front and rear? And was the pricing north of $25?

If you have other photos of the install I'd love to see them.

I'm not finding MS RV Repair in Waco... got a link?

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OOPs I see the photos with wheels off front and rear. D'oh!
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I'm not finding MS RV Repair in Waco... got a link?
Found them... they are in Temple, TX not Waco. 35-miles South West of Waco. No website:

MS RV Repair
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The business office/mailing address for MS RV Repair is in Temple.

The shop address is:
551 N Connally Dr
Elm Mott, TX 76640
United States

They are on west side of I35, opposite the Waco speedway

The owner is Michael Springman
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So what was the cost for the LS conversion?
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So what was the cost for the LS conversion?
We paid just a bit over $25,000: $10,000 for the rear kit, $8,000 for the front kit, and $7,000 for installation.
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I just picked mine up today with the exact same rig and setup that you have, open road 32sa 24k chassis.

Drove it home about 70 miles and First impressions was that the steering was so much tighter, which meant less work and adjusting while in the highway. Felt like a big suv.

The difference in the ride is night and day. As the OP stated, the jarring and rattling is gone. It really is a noticeable difference with the cab noise both in town and on the highway. I live in Southern California and the roads are terrible, so I was really hoping to notice the difference and I have.

The work was done at Redlands RV and Truck.. Finished the whole job in just over a week. Really happy with my choice and excited to get in the road Sunday!

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Old 11-05-2022, 10:47 PM   #9
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How much weight was added? We have the 22K chassis with about 2,600 lbs of OCCC. I'd read that LS added about 400 lbs but I don't know if that was rear only or front and rear.

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How much weight was added? We have the 22K chassis with about 2,600 lbs of OCCC. I'd read that LS added about 400 lbs but I don't know if that was rear only or front and rear.

Ray

The front/rear installation adds right at 600# additional weight.
Had the Coach "four corner weighed" at Newmar International, and it had increased by 620# from the previous International. And I had added/removed a few other items too. So the 600# weight addition is pretty accurate!

My coach is a 26,000 GVWR chassis, and I still am about 950# .under the GVWR
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The front/rear installation adds right at 600# additional weight.
Had the Coach "four corner weighed" at Newmar International, and it had increased by 620# from the previous International. And I had added/removed a few other items too. So the 600# weight addition is pretty accurate!

My coach is a 26,000 GVWR chassis, and I still am about 950# .under the GVWR
Thanks for the follow-up. I was thinking the 400 lbs I had read previously was just for the rear because that's all there was for quite a while. Another 200 lbs to add the equipment for the lighter front axle makes sense, also because most of the other needed equipment is already part of the rear install.

We have the 22K GVWR chassis with 2,838 of OCCC as it left the factory three years ago. Full up, with full water solely for weighing, we're about 400 lbs below GVWR so adding 600 may be doable but barely.

On the good news side, your update probably saved me $30,000.

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We have the 22K GVWR chassis with 2,838 of OCCC as it left the factory three years ago. Full up, with full water solely for weighing, we're about 400 lbs below GVWR so adding 600 may be doable but barely.

On the good news side, your update probably saved me $30,000.

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The 24,000lb and 26,000lb GVWR F53 chassis uses the LiquidSpring model DS175F53. The 20,000lb and 22,000lb GVWR chassis uses model DS150F53 suspension system.

It would seem risky to assume the weight added to support the 26,000lb chassis built on the beefier Dana 17060S rear end system would be the same for the lighter 22,000lb GVWR chassis that has the Dana S130 rear end system

Always looking to save $30,000, but seems best to do it for the right reasons.
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The 24,000lb and 26,000lb GVWR F53 chassis uses the LiquidSpring model DS175F53. The 20,000lb and 22,000lb GVWR chassis uses model DS150F53 suspension system.

It would seem risky to assume the weight added to support the 26,000lb chassis built on the beefier Dana 17060S rear end system would be the same for the lighter 22,000lb GVWR chassis that has the Dana S130 rear end system

Always looking to save $30,000, but seems best to do it for the right reasons.
There's only a 15% difference between 22K and 26K. I'd be very surprised if there were significant changes in the mechanical components, more likely the electronics programming and maybe valving. Designing two separate systems would raise the cost needlessly.

That being said I just sent them an information request so we'll find out!

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That being said I just sent them an information request so we'll find out!
Wow, I got a reply in less than four hours. My query:

How much weight is added to the Ford F-53 V10 and V8 motorhome for a front and rear installation of LiquidSprings? I'm interested in the numbers for both the 22,000 GVWR chassis and the 24,000 GVWR chassis.

We currently have a 22K chassis. I've read about 400 lbs but I suspect that was for just the rear and I've read 600 lbs for front and rear but I do not know if there is a difference for the chassis size. We're about 400 lbs below GVWR when loaded to the max for a CAT Scale weighing.

Or is there a minimum OCCC that you folks recommend?


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You are very close on your numbers you would be adding approximately 550 Lbs. to either the V8 or the V10 chassis.

The GVWR doesn’t really make any difference to the weight add.

We are in the process of reducing the weight of our suspension on the F53 which will take about 200 pounds off of the 550 pounds we currently add.

Please let me know if you would like more detailed information.


If they can knock 200 lbs off the installed weight that would make a big difference for us.

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