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Old 03-07-2019, 11:25 AM   #1
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Shopping for a used 2012 - 2014 Phaeton 40QBH

I'm looking for owners of this floorplan that can provide the pro's and con's regarding this floorplan. We will not be full timers for several years, still have day jobs, but we will take extended 2-4 week trips.

I'm really looking for livability type knowledge. If there have been problems related to the floorplan I would like to know that as well.

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Old 03-07-2019, 03:24 PM   #2
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We really enjoyed the QBH we had. Made the mistake of going to an RV show.
The only drawback the 2014 QBH had was the half bath was too small and you would hit your head when you tried to wash your face
Of course the DW got the full bath so the half bath was mine..
I like the full walk the bath of the AP models, double sinks , large shower.
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I'm looking for owners of this floorplan that can provide the pro's and con's regarding this floorplan. We will not be full timers for several years, still have day jobs, but we will take extended 2-4 week trips.

I'm really looking for livability type knowledge. If there have been problems related to the floorplan I would like to know that as well.

Thanks Y'all!

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We have a 2013 QBH with the fireplace option. We normally spend 5 or 6 months in Florida and find this floor plan ideal for 2 people. There is lots of storage for her stuff in the rear bath and maybe the small cabinet over the toilet will hold yours. If you get a QBH with the Suburban furnaces instead of the Aqua Hot you will have more storage space in the underneath compartments and less yearly maintenance cost. The interior cabinets provide very ample storage especially on models without the front tv. A washer and dryer are must haves and the dishwasher is also very nice. The only changes we did was to remove the euro recliner and put a small computer desk in that place for my laptop. The wife has the computer workstation for hers, of course. We removed the worthless sleeper sofa and installed a double recliner sofa which sets directly across from the main tv over the fireplace. Ours came with Tiffin's version of a sleep number king mattress which was ok but not all that comfortable. We replaced it with a regular extra extra firm foam mattress, much better.

As to problems, other than the normal tightening of loose stuff, we have had to replace the solenoids for the hydraulic slide motor, replaced the Tiffin junk OTA antenna with a Winegard Automatic Rayzor, replaced both HDMI splitter/amplifiers, had the shower drain HEPO valve and the power awning motor replaced at Tiffin. Also the residential refrigerator ice maker had to be rebuilt and the propane regulator replaced due to leaking propane.

Next to be replaced is all four slide toppers fabric, and 6 new coach batteries. Then next year the 8 year old Michelin tires will need replacing. This is in addition to the normal routine maintenance of the coach engine/transmission and generator which averages around $800 per year.

That pretty much sums up the good, the bad, and the ugly of owning one of these coaches. Start saving your nickels and dimes, quarters, and dollars because you will need them.
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We have a 2013 QBH with the fireplace option. We normally spend 5 or 6 months in Florida and find this floor plan ideal for 2 people. There is lots of storage for her stuff in the rear bath and maybe the small cabinet over the toilet will hold yours. If you get a QBH with the Suburban furnaces instead of the Aqua Hot you will have more storage space in the underneath compartments and less yearly maintenance cost. The interior cabinets provide very ample storage especially on models without the front tv. A washer and dryer are must haves and the dishwasher is also very nice. The only changes we did was to remove the euro recliner and put a small computer desk in that place for my laptop. The wife has the computer workstation for hers, of course. We removed the worthless sleeper sofa and installed a double recliner sofa which sets directly across from the main tv over the fireplace. Ours came with Tiffin's version of a sleep number king mattress which was ok but not all that comfortable. We replaced it with a regular extra extra firm foam mattress, much better.

As to problems, other than the normal tightening of loose stuff, we have had to replace the solenoids for the hydraulic slide motor, replaced the Tiffin junk OTA antenna with a Winegard Automatic Rayzor, replaced both HDMI splitter/amplifiers, had the shower drain HEPO valve and the power awning motor replaced at Tiffin. Also the residential refrigerator ice maker had to be rebuilt and the propane regulator replaced due to leaking propane.

Next to be replaced is all four slide toppers fabric, and 6 new coach batteries. Then next year the 8 year old Michelin tires will need replacing. This is in addition to the normal routine maintenance of the coach engine/transmission and generator which averages around $800 per year.

That pretty much sums up the good, the bad, and the ugly of owning one of these coaches. Start saving your nickels and dimes, quarters, and dollars because you will need them.

Thanks for the knowledge. We are going to view a 40QBH today. I was concerned about the added cost of maintenance with not having a side radiator. $800 a year is not terrible. I usually can fix more than I break and feel I can handle many of the maintenance tasks/issues as they arise. Maybe that will help some with maintenance costs.

The majority of the units I have seen online do not have the aqua hot. A pro for this would be no single point of failure. If the aqua hot fails then potentially you could lose hot water and heat. I don't know the failure rate of aqua hots but it's something to consider.

We will keep the sleeper sofa for grandkids, although theater style recliners would be nice!
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Old 03-08-2019, 09:12 AM   #5
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Thanks for the knowledge. We are going to view a 40QBH today. I was concerned about the added cost of maintenance with not having a side radiator. $800 a year is not terrible. I usually can fix more than I break and feel I can handle many of the maintenance tasks/issues as they arise. Maybe that will help some with maintenance costs.

The majority of the units I have seen online do not have the aqua hot. A pro for this would be no single point of failure. If the aqua hot fails then potentially you could lose hot water and heat. I don't know the failure rate of aqua hots but it's something to consider.

We will keep the sleeper sofa for grandkids, although theater style recliners would be nice!


I love my 2013 40QBH. For me the fireplace/entertainment center option was a must do TV directly across from sofa. Hate looking sideways for TV. This also gives you a nice cabinet that makes a perfect liquor cabinet next to fridge where the TV would be located in base floor plan. I donít find half bath too small and Iím 6í1Ē and 260 lbs. I donít have the aqua hot.

I also keep sleeper sofa for occasional sleep over company and grandkids. The air mattress on sleeper sofa is reasonably comfortable.

Havenít had any significant issues. Normal stuff failing on any house shaking down the road.

House items that break I usually fix or replace myself. For annual chassis mtce I go to Freightliner Service Center in Gaffney, SC. They do a fantastic job and are reasonably priced. Varies each year depending on what is recommended by Freightliner in their service guide.
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Old 03-09-2019, 12:40 PM   #6
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We also have a 2013 40QBH. Have owned it for just over a year. We've had a couple of problems, the transfer switch went bad, the propane regulator had to be replaced,leak in the kitchen sink drain, broken HDMI cable. I've done all of the maintenance myself so far such as replacing the engine air filter, air dryer cartridge, oil & filter change, transmission fluid and filters, swapped engine antifreeze over to an extended life, etc. Had the tires replaced since I did not know the history of how well the original tires were cared for. I was able to utilize the existing sat dish w/our Dish service. We're thoroughly enjoying our first winter in our coach, staying in the Bradenton,FL area for 3 months. Plan to stop in at Red Bay on the way home to pick up some spare floor tiles and other misc. items since its almost on the way home. We love our layout w/the 2 sofas and the dinette/computer workstation. Wasn't sure we'd like that layout since we always preferred the booth dinette arrangement but for living in it semi full time its great. We did find some reasonably nice folding chairs and didn't even bother to bring the heavy original chairs down w/us. The 1/2 bath is a little cozy but I haven't seen many bath + 1/2 models that have much more space and its nice to have the extra bath when guests visit. We find the coach handles great, rides quietly and have not needed the 3 A/C's on the roof, usually running 1 at a time but then we keep the temp in the mid 70's. On the cool nights the heatpumps really work well to heat the coach. I had mixed emotions regarding the tankless water heater but its great, never run out of hot water and our propane seems to be holding up quite well. I added a fireplace below the center TV and it adds some nice atmosphere and actually puts out a decent amount of heat. This is our first coach to have a washer/dryer and its great.
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We own a 2014 QBH and can echo previous replies. We have owned this coach for just over 2 years now and really enjoy the layout. We will be replacing our couch with theatre seating. We have been fulltiming in it since last November. Good luck on your research!
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We have a 2014 QBH and really like the floor plan. We previously had an Open Road 36 LA so the bath and a half was the biggest requirement for us. I don't think that these model year coaches had any major common problems. There are a couple of things that I would change if I could. We didn't get heated floors, living in the south we didn't deem them necessary. That tile gets cold and it's a requirement for the next one. The TV locations are not ideal, on the 36LA it was directly across from the couch but on the Phaeton you have to look forward or back. They upgraded the exterior in 2015 and that would have been a plus, it looks newer and more modern. I'm not really a fan of the LPG instant water heater when dry camping, it has a long lag time if you turn the shower head off trying to conserve water and tank space. I have learned to let it run and shower fast as opposed to cutting it on and off. The radiator location is not an issue with me, I do all my own preventative maintenance and if I ever need full access to the engine someone else will be doing that most likely.
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We are looking for a 40QBH in the same model years and have found two we liked and they were swept up quickly. One thing to note on the 2012, it is my understanding that 2012 was the year the roof crack issue was resolved, and there is a VIN number after which the final resolution was installed by Tiffin at the factory during production. You might want to research that a bit if looking at that model year coach.
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We switched from the Newmar 3742 to a 41í Excursion with essentially the same floorplan. Great layout, lot of positives. Only thing we noticed is we were really spoiled with the huge kitchen counter space on the 3742
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We have a 2014 QBH and really like the floor plan. We previously had an Open Road 36 LA so the bath and a half was the biggest requirement for us. I don't think that these model year coaches had any major common problems. There are a couple of things that I would change if I could. We didn't get heated floors, living in the south we didn't deem them necessary. That tile gets cold and it's a requirement for the next one. The TV locations are not ideal, on the 36LA it was directly across from the couch but on the Phaeton you have to look forward or back. They upgraded the exterior in 2015 and that would have been a plus, it looks newer and more modern. I'm not really a fan of the LPG instant water heater when dry camping, it has a long lag time if you turn the shower head off trying to conserve water and tank space. I have learned to let it run and shower fast as opposed to cutting it on and off. The radiator location is not an issue with me, I do all my own preventative maintenance and if I ever need full access to the engine someone else will be doing that most likely.


I agree on TV issue in general. I need it to be straight across from sitting area. But there is an entertainment center option I have which replaces the driver side sofa with a fireplace with TV above and a euro recliner chair. Then the spot near the fridge where your TV is becomes a great liquor cabinet.
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