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Old 01-07-2016, 05:33 PM   #1
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Single pane Windows

I am looking at the 37 PA Allegro Red and I am wondering if any one has input on the single pane Windows. We do not camp a lot in the cold but traveling in January from Michigan to warm weather can be real cold for a couple days. Our current motorhome has dual panes. Any information will be helpful.

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We have them and usually not a problem unless below freezing. I wish we had double pain mainly for the sound impact in tight campgrounds. . We use reflectix on the windows when it's cold and move south quick. . No fog issues but I wish they had more insulating technology like the new RV window technology
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Old 01-08-2016, 06:21 AM   #3
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Yes tinted thicker single pane glass can be installed. There are owners here that have paid to have the same windows repaired more then once. Had SOB coaches for many years that had single pane windows, fine with me, never paid a dime to repair. Try not to go places with extreme OATs.
This is an RV industry problem they can't seem to get right. Had any double pane windows in your S & B's house break seal lately...? jus sayn !
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Tiffin single-pane windows are 1/4" glass. Not quite as good as double pane windows, but a whole lot better than the thin stuff used by other companies. The perform pretty well in below freezing weather but deasnealy said, Reflectix does a pretty good job with insulating them. Works well in the summer too.
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Tiffin single-pane windows are 1/4" glass. Not quite as good as double pane windows, but a whole lot better than the thin stuff used by other companies. The perform pretty well in below freezing weather but deasnealy said, Reflectix does a pretty good job with insulating them. Works well in the summer too.
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What model year did Tiffin change to double pane windows ?
Its my understanding that thermo windows were not ever an option over single pane. As buyer's have no choice on the type windows used. Wish we did, rather then knowing we may have to spend hundreds of dollars to repair/replace windows the coach maker installed at high cost.
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The Allegro Open Roads and REDs have always used the 1/4" single panes. Double pane windows are not an option with these models. The Phaeton, Bus, and Zephyr are double panes and have been for a long time.

I don't know when Tiffin started all this but I would bet 10+ years ago or more. If you have a 2013 Bus, you have the new style double pane windows that have had a very good service record so far. I have not heard of anyone having problems with them.
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Yes tinted thicker single pane glass can be installed. There are owners here that have paid to have the same windows repaired more then once. Had SOB coaches for many years that had single pane windows, fine with me, never paid a dime to repair. Try not to go places with extreme OATs.
This is an RV industry problem they can't seem to get right. Had any double pane windows in your S & B's house break seal lately...? jus sayn !
This same topic came up on Tiffin forum today as well.



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I don't think it is a low quality problem. We have double pane windows in our house and never a problem. However, our house sits at 1100 ft above sea level. We never had a problem with our motorhome windows until we started going into the mountains. The window is sealed. As you go up in altitude the pressure on the inside is greater than the outside and increases as you get higher. If it is hot, the pressure goes up even more. At some point the seal fails and when you go back down and the window cools and moist air is sucked back in.
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This is an RV industry problem they can't seem to get right. Had any double pane windows in your S & B's house break seal lately...? jus sayn !
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skypilot_1, no my S & B hasn't had a problem with the seals breaking, but then again, they don't flex and bang driving down America's pot-holed highways at 60+ mph!

That said, our 15 year old Dutch Star came standard with dual pane windows. We purchased it from the original owner. 116k miles on it, never had a problem, never fogged a window, never had one replaced. Sometimes it depends on the quality you originally buy.
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Actually, my wife just reminded me that we DID have two S & B dual pane windows shatter in the last two years. House built in 2004, inner pane of both just broke. One in our bedroom above our head, inside pane cracked so loud one night that it woke us both up! Took us about 10 minutes of looking around to figure out what the noise was!

Quality windows too! 10+ years old, but the manufacturer replaced them at no charge.
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single pane windows

We have a Tiffin36LA and have the 1/4 inch windows. Have had our unit in freezing weather and have never felt cold or drafty. Windows are fine as is the insulation. But it is not a Dutch Star which is a great luxury coach and is on my wish list. So is the lottery.
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So all the Tiffin gas coaches do not have double pane windows? They are single?!
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:13 AM   #12
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All Open Roads (gas) and Allegro REDs use the single pane windows. However, as others have said, they are pretty decent windows. My first Tiffin coach was an Open Road and they weren't too bad - almost as quiet as double panes and not too bad in cold weather.
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On single pane you will not need to replace or repair fogged windows in several years.
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Would never have a rig with single pane windows. After 13 years with the previous Dutch Star we never had a problem with any of them. The present rig has a couple that need fixing, but we didn't see that before we bought it. One of the hazards of buying a unit that's stored inside as the problem showed up the next day when outside cooler air got to it.
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