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Old 07-04-2017, 03:20 PM   #1
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Fleetwood Pace Arrow diesel vs. Winne Advenurer Gas Motorhome

The two RVs we're most interested in purchasing next month are the Winnebago Adventurer 37F and the Pace Arrow 36U.

The Winnie is a gas MH - it's one of the most DP-Type GAS MHs on the market. In fact, their marketing is "The luxury diesel motorhome without the diesel." And, it's priced accordingly high as well. Around $210,000 List Price.

The Pace Arrow is not quite as well outfitted as the Adventurer and does cost about another $10-15K more because of the diesel.

We lean toward the Pace Arrow, mostly for the diesel - but in all my research of comments from owners the consistent reports of issues with both the electric tilt bed and the vacuuflush toilet system really give me pause.

I've done the same kind of research for the Adventurer and not seen any such pervasive issues common with many owners.

The other main difference is the Adverturer has both Air Conditioning units up inside the ceiling with remote ducted return air vents. Totally hidden it doesn't have the bottom of the A/C units hanging down in the hallway. As a result its super quiet when the A/C is running. Well, there are a handful of other pluses, too. It's a bath and a half, with one toilet a standard flush and the other a Tecma electric toilet. From what I read the Tecma is superior to the vacuuflush.

What do Fleetwood owners think about these two choices and the hesitation we have with the Fleetwood?

Here's an illustration of how the A/C is housed on the Adventurer:
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Might look at the Holiday Rambler Navigator series too
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Might look at the Holiday Rambler Navigator series too
Of course... but it's the exact same thing as the Pace Arrow. Like Winnebago and Itasca. So, the HR has the exact same problems as the Pace Arrow.

It just seems like Fleetwood has a couple of issues with supplied parts that are an integral part of their overall design. Issues that almost every owner encounters.

I've owned 3 travel trailers and one Class C. I know that RVs are imperfect. I guess what I'm not used to is problems that every owner reports having... in model year after model year.
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Have you driven both?

Are you looking to full time? Weekends?
Drive long distances?
Drive out West?

Which layout/floorplan do you like better? (Your spouse?)

I hope the gasser has the 6 speed because I did not care for the Ford 5 speed pre 2017.

I am not familiar with the toilet sorry, but the ducted ac is quieter.

That kind of money will get you in a 1-2 year old Discovery which has the bigger engine/transmission than the pace, ducted ac and better appointed inside.

If I was to go back to a gas I would not pull the trigger till I looked at a newmar.

I am glad I traded up to a diesel.
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TRS80, (I remember those). Actually, we have not driven either. So, yeah, that's an issue. We have a Ford F53 based Class C, so we do know something about that setup.

I know a diesel pusher is a totally different world. Honest I do. We will drive both before any final decisions. And yes the Newmar Canyon Star 3710 is on our list - they are just hard to find. So, we've never seen one yet.

My wife likes both the Winnie and the Arrow layouts pretty equally, but leans toward the Winnie.

We buy new... not used. I know, it's not very smart. We lose a bunch just driving off of the lot. It's just our way. We do this with cars too. And, pretty much with houses come to think of it. I prefer new and my wife demands it. So, that's a pretty done deal. If I found a used 2017 with 5,000 miles, maybe. But even then only maybe.
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Since you buy new, suggestion.
We bought a new 15 Discovery because it was not much more than the next model lower (Excursion then comparable to a Pace Arrow now) It is higher quality, more amenities, larger engine, still gets 9 mpg. A/C ducts are quieter.
No major problems.
You may not like the performance of a V-10. I had 2.
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You may not like the performance of a V-10. I had 2.
Yeah, thanks for that. I have the V10 now in my Class C, though it's the lower HP version with the 2-valve head rather than the 3-valve head they use on the Class A RVs.

We're happy enough with the V-10 coach. Though the DP setup I'm sure is better in most ways. Quieter, better mileage, air brakes, air suspension, etc. I'd add durability and longevity to that, but honestly, we'd not put 300,000 miles on the thing.

We'd kind of rather have the most expensive Gas Class A rather than the least expensive Diesel Class A. If you know what I mean. I don't know if that makes sense, or not.
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Curious what you decided and how's it going?
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If I weren't driving far I'd consider a gasser. But for long distances it'd have to be a diesel. My job allows me to deliver all sorts of motorhomes x-country. I find the unloaded gassers noisy, bumpy, and underpowered (and they're completely empty). They're fine if you're doing a short trip of a few hours.

All of the diesels I've driven have the wonderful, smooth air ride. One thing that shows is which diesel you have in the back. The Cummins ISB truck motor, found in the Pace Arrow and Discovery, seems underpowered (the coaches I drive are empty; imagine them with a toad and full tanks). I would much rather prefer a Cummins ISC engine which, in my view, has the minimum amount of torque for a true x-country DP.

I do agree with the OP's statement about buying the most expensive RV in it's class. The Winnebago Vista vs the Adventurer are night and different in quality appearance. I recently drove the Adventurer and it's interior shows a lot of quality features. My favorite gasser, so far, is the Tiffin Allegro Open Road because it is the closest in appearance to a quality DP.
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