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09-11-2021, 09:28 AM
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Confused
I am confused why wiring his plug to a 240v circuit is an issue. All the park plug ins are two pole 30 or 50 amp receptacles. Each leg to ground or neutral is 120v. Typical 30 or 50 amp plugs are 3 wire, two hits and a neutral.
They do not make a 30 or 50 amp single pole 120v breaker.
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09-11-2021, 09:57 AM
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#114
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Originally Posted by russ2528
I am confused why wiring his plug to a 240v circuit is an issue. All the park plug ins are two pole 30 or 50 amp receptacles. Each leg to ground or neutral is 120v. Typical 30 or 50 amp plugs are 3 wire, two hits and a neutral.
They do not make a 30 or 50 amp single pole 120v breaker.
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Wow, thats really wrong.
All RV 30 amp plugins are 2 wire + ground, single pole, 120 volts only.
Haven't you read any of the previous posts ?
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09-11-2021, 10:09 AM
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#115
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This should be attached to every RV ever produced...
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09-11-2021, 10:15 AM
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#116
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Quote:
Originally Posted by russ2528
I am confused why wiring his plug to a 240v circuit is an issue. All the park plug ins are two pole 30 or 50 amp receptacles. Each leg to ground or neutral is 120v. Typical 30 or 50 amp plugs are 3 wire, two hits and a neutral.
They do not make a 30 or 50 amp single pole 120v breaker.
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His electrician was confused also.
BTW, I have a service panel with many 30a single pole 120v breakers installed. Our RV is plugged in to one as we speak.
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09-11-2021, 10:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by russ2528
I am confused why wiring his plug to a 240v circuit is an issue. All the park plug ins are two pole 30 or 50 amp receptacles. Each leg to ground or neutral is 120v. Typical 30 or 50 amp plugs are 3 wire, two hits and a neutral.
They do not make a 30 or 50 amp single pole 120v breaker.
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The 240v 50a is dual 50a single pole breakers, one on each leg of a 2-pole panel. They’re common.
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09-11-2021, 10:28 AM
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#118
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Had same happen to me on my previous 06 gasser. Luckily I hired an electrical firm. Cooked my motorhome. Did I mention it was about 6 weeks new! Yikes! Company owner came out, who was a mh owner and knew the problem immediately. He took care of all costs to repair, including transport back to Thor. I was very lucky. Good luck on your rig.
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09-11-2021, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by russ2528
They do not make a 30 or 50 amp single pole 120v breaker.
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Square D QO-series single-pole breakers, but other brands also make them. The 30A is in every RV pedestal, though 50A breakers in a pedestal are always 2-pole since it’s a 4-wire power cord to the coach. Just FYI.
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09-11-2021, 10:36 AM
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And this...
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09-11-2021, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Alpine36
And this...
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That’s a perfect picture to explain the difference!!! Thanks for posting this!
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09-11-2021, 12:17 PM
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tompands: Very sorry to read of what happened and reading the whole thread am sorry for those that have no problem haranguing you. We put a pedestal in at our home and wired it only for 30A 120V, even though our rig is 240V. Based on reading about many CGs having bad wiring on the 240V pedestals and that our rig can run on a 30/120, we just decided to do the same at home.
You've got that side sorted out now. I just want to forewarn you on those that have said to go to your insurance, particularly homeowners. Every policy I have read has the out for the insurance co. of: not including material or construction defects or not built to code (I'm paraphrasing).
If your friend is licensed and insured (hopefully), that is the insurance that would cover this. I also doubt the insurance that covers the rig itself would cover this, but hey it actually was an accident, so maybe try them...
Best of luck - we've all had accidents and made mistakes, even those that say they are perfect...
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09-11-2021, 01:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by russ2528
I am confused why wiring his plug to a 240v circuit is an issue. All the park plug ins are two pole 30 or 50 amp receptacles. Each leg to ground or neutral is 120v. Typical 30 or 50 amp plugs are 3 wire, two hits and a neutral.
They do not make a 30 or 50 amp single pole 120v breaker.
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No, a 30 amp 240v (dryer, welder, etc.) has two hots and a neutral, like you kind of understand and stated..
A 30 amp 125v circuit (RV for example) is a hot, neutral and ground.
What you stated above is exactly what causes people to get in trouble.
https://tops-stars.com/wp-content/up...ng-diagram.jpg
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09-11-2021, 05:00 PM
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I'm really confused now........
I took the old girl down to get new tires today. Took off the 16 yr old tires and put on some brand new TOYO's. Maybe getting new tires made her feel better, cause listen to this. I also went and filled my Generator propane tank. When I got home, I started the Genset. Turned on both AC's. Came right on and blasted ice cold air. I received my 2 new AC covers today and put them on. Received my new Refrigerator Vent cover and put that on. Cleaned the whole roof. Genset quit running after 1 hour. removed my house batteries , checked water and charged them. Cleaned and reinstalled batteries. Restarted genset. Ran 1 hour and quit. Deal with that later. plugged into 30 amp and started ac's. Came on and been running for hours now. Installed new double din radio, works great. Tried to figure out why frig wouldn't come on. found a blown fuse on back side, replaced it, and tried to check it again. Seemed like I was getting nothing from frig. Figured it was another victim of 240v. Walked away and left it turned on (didn't mean to leave it on) Came back 3 hours later and IT'S working. I knew the rear TV was plugged in when I hit it with 240 , so I figured it was toast, no question. Just went in and found TV lit up and working. Is this thing coming back alive or what?
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09-11-2021, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by alank
If the RV has an EMS, even though it may not be a real good one, your butt may have been saved.😲
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From what you are saying now, this statement may be very true.
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09-11-2021, 06:42 PM
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Glad it wasn't as bad as it could have been, Some days you gets the bear!
After reading through this entire thread I see there is an abundance of confusion here so it's no wonder some campgrounds also get it wrong on their pedestals. So here is a link to a simple device that anyone who can follow directions should be able to build and test the supply before plugging in your RV. I have an expensive EMS on my rig but still, I wouldn't dare plug into a campground pedestal before using this tester.
https://www.myrv.us/electric/Pg/tester_50amp.htm
-Jamie
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