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Old 10-01-2015, 12:06 PM   #1
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Passenger side window unsealed with humidity

The passenger window is a double glass with gas sealed between them. The seal is probably broken and I have water inside the window. This is very bad since I can not see my outside mirror.

Did anybody ever changed the glass? Should I remove it from outside or from inside? Do I unscrew the whole frame or not?

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1 check with your insurance co. it my be covered.
2 window frame is held in with all the screws on the inside and putty under the frame on the outside and calk on the top outside
3 there are 2 or 3 companies that will repair for $350 a window frame one is in Florida
4 google foggy rv windows to find video
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Old 10-01-2015, 08:51 PM   #3
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1 check with your insurance co. it my be covered.
2 window frame is held in with all the screws on the inside and putty under the frame on the outside and calk on the top outside
3 there are 2 or 3 companies that will repair for $350 a window frame one is in Florida
4 google foggy rv windows to find video
I will then remove the inside window frame and see if I can remove it without breaking. Thank you very much for the help.
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Old 10-02-2015, 06:55 AM   #4
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I have a similar situation and recently checked with "Gates" for help. They told me they could not make the window but could correctly install one if I had it, or they could locate one and pass charges on to me. (mine is not square but on a angle).
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I will remove the window. Then I will ship it to Suncoast Designers | RV Window Repair Specialists in Hudson, FL if no glass specialist here in Montreal can do it.

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Old 10-02-2015, 08:15 PM   #7
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Carl, Last month I removed 2 windows from my coach and drove them down to SunCoast Designers. They repair them for $150.00 each plus 7% tax. $321.00 total. Very professional operation and I'm quite happy with the repairs.
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DIY

There is DIY solution.

What we want to do is to drill two small holes on the bottom of the outside piece of glass. When the sun shines on the window, it will warm up the air inside the unit, which will pick up some of the condensation. After 2 to 11 weeks, the humidity is gone and you seal with silicone. But the problem could come back each year. So removing and have the window fix is the way to go for a long term solution.

You have to buy a Diamond hole saw 3/8" or 10mm. On eBay this is 1.53$Can and 1.16$US.

I read that a sealed window should last 5 to 15 years. Even if the seal is not broken, the glass breath humidity. They put desiccants at the bottom to absord the humidity. But once the dessicants are all saturated, we see humidity. Desiccants, or silicates, were once mineral salts that absorbed water, Now, there are any different types of desiccants due to modern chemistry.

A windows not directly at the sun will last longer.
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Old 10-03-2015, 07:16 PM   #9
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There is DIY solution.
That webpage seems to be talking about household double-pane windows. I would be very hesitant about trying that on vehicle glass. But if you do, I'll be interested to see your results because I have several windows suffering the same condition. Good luck.
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I had all (some 13 windows) done by them - 10 year prorated warranty. Moreover, they are one of the few that can do "frameless" windows.
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That webpage seems to be talking about household double-pane windows. I would be very hesitant about trying that on vehicle glass. But if you do, I'll be interested to see your results because I have several windows suffering the same condition. Good luck.
I realize that the side windows are tempered so we can not drill in those. It will crack in hundread of pieces.

So the DIY solution is to remove the window and make two holes in the seal at the bottom. Then you tape a net on the holes to make sure spider won't go in. You reinstall the window (making sure air is accessible to the holes) and it will no more be a thermal window. It is going to work. Next, you sell the motorhome or you don't use it in cold weather.

I will maybe try it. Depends on the price I get to have it fixed by professionnals. I will keep you informed.

N.B.: The windshield is not tempered glass. It is Laminated glass and it is possible to drill holes in. Laminated glass has a layer of plastic between two thinner sheets of glass.
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I realize that the side windows are tempered so we can not drill in those. It will crack in hundread of pieces.

So the DIY solution is to remove the window and make two holes in the seal at the bottom. Then you tape a net on the holes to make sure spider won't go in. You reinstall the window (making sure air is accessible to the holes) and it will no more be a thermal window. It is going to work. Next, you sell the motorhome or you don't use it in cold weather.

I will maybe try it. Depends on the price I get to have it fixed by professionnals. I will keep you informed.

N.B.: The windshield is not tempered glass. It is Laminated glass and it is possible to drill holes in. Laminated glass has a layer of plastic between two thinner sheets of glass.
I'm afraid neither technique is going to help in my case for the worst of my windows. About 50% on my windows show evidence of fogging. One or two have only some visible moisture that might respond to the drying technique, but others now have apparently dried out to some extent on their own, but now have a whitish mineral deposit between the panes to varying degrees. The worst afflicted, fortunately in the bedroom where it does not pose a safety concern, has become completely opaque with the white stuff. Hopefully the professionals' washing treatment would remove it, but if not, does anyone know of an outlet for replacement windows, other than a salvage yard?

I wonder if the window manufacturers have made any changes to prevent this failure in new production?
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I'm afraid neither technique is going to help in my case for the worst of my windows. About 50% on my windows show evidence of fogging. One or two have only some visible moisture that might respond to the drying technique, but others now have apparently dried out to some extent on their own, but now have a whitish mineral deposit between the panes to varying degrees. The worst afflicted, fortunately in the bedroom where it does not pose a safety concern, has become completely opaque with the white stuff. Hopefully the professionals' washing treatment would remove it, but if not, does anyone know of an outlet for replacement windows, other than a salvage yard?

I wonder if the window manufacturers have made any changes to prevent this failure in new production?

You are right. If the problem was there for a long time I read that there is no solutions but to change the Window. There are restore double glass kits for 50$ on eBay, but I read that there is no way to remove the minerals since it is inside the glass and that we should not trust sellers that pretend to be able to wash it.

My window started the problem this summer so I am still on time for the DIY.

Hope someone knows an outlet for replacement windows for you.
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We were able to have our fogged windows replaced locally by a commercial glass shop. We removed the window and brought it to Metropolitan Glass in Albany, NY. They cut new double pane glass, installed it in the frame with new dessicant strips and had it back to us in four days. I say this as you may have a glass shop locally that can do this work without you having to seek out a specialty RV glass shop (maybe miles and miles away) and pay specialty prices. Yes, we had to remove the window, clean the opening;s surfaces of old caulk and reinstall, but--we, and the coach, stayed home, saving gasoline, tolls, and other travel-related fees. And, hey, we like to work on our coach to do the jobs that we can do ourselves. If you have fogged windows, it's worth doing some research to see if there is a shop that can handle this close to home. Some pictures attached of the project. Good luck!




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