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Old 05-25-2015, 07:08 AM   #1
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Virtual RECALL FOR ALL FLEETWOOD MOTORHOME ALL YEARS

Important virtual RECALL FOR ALL FLEETWOOD MOTORHOME FOR ALL YEARS.
Important RAPPEL POUR TOUS LES MOTORISÉS FLEETWOOD, TOUTES LES ANNÉES (virtuel)

My motorhome Fleetwood Pace Arrow Vision 1999 had electrical leaks. The leaks don't concern the Ford F53 connections (or other chassis manufacturer). They concern the one made by Fleetwood over the chassis.

Since many have a 20 years mortgage on their motorhome, you must expect them to last for at least 20 years.

But some connections and cabling made by Fleetwood won't last and could lead to problems such as electrical leaks, malfunction, battery discharge, fire and more.

Here are the known problems on my gas motorhome:

PROBLEM 1 - Harness form the Battery Control Center (BCC)
A Harness coming from the bottom of the BCC is about 2 foot long. The end of this harness is a white connector (located on my motorhome at the right of the BCC) with 12 pins for 12 wires.


This kind of connector should not be use outdoor. So Fleetwood did not use the proper connector.

On my motorhome, I have access to this connector by sitting in front of my front tire. Also I have access on the right side of the BCC.

See how it gets corroded (click on the image):


Fix: If your motorhome is quite new, you could try to protect the connector with silicone. Make a big ball in your hand and cover the connector. Let it dry and repeat for 3 or 4 days until the connector is completly seals. Prior to it, you should try to open the connector and clean it with an electronic contact cleaner and then protect the pins with dielectric grease.

If your motorhome is more than 5 years old, you should inspect and probably rewire the whole connector.
Each of the individual wire goes to the BCC so they are easy to follow with an ohmmeter.
Personnaly, I cut the wires that were corroded (in fact they had melt and 4 of them were completly cut). I repaired the 4 wires that had a problem by soldering a new wire up to the BCC. The 4 wires I fixed are probably the same you should all fix: the Big red one (stairs), the small red one (stairs switch), the small red one with a white stripe and the blue one. I used 10 gage wire for the big one and 12 for the others.

I rewired them into the BCC, see the wires I cut in the BCC:


PROBLEM 2 - Levering jacks and Drivers seat harness
There is another small harness that comes from the bottom of the BCC and goes over the driver front tire. There are two wires in this harness, a big white and a big black, both 10 gage. This harness when it turns the corner was stuck between two sheets of metal. It melted completly and the fuse never blew. The cables were corroded and cut.
Fix: Inspect all the harness and cable coming from the BCC and follow them. Put your hand around them and follow them and note if you see something unusual. I used 10 gage wire to fix the two wires.



PROBLEM 3 - Battery cables - coach and chassis
At three differents area, the big batteries cables going to the BCC had lost the protection covering.
Fix: Follow each of them. Watch for the corners where they touch metal. I use electric tape to repair. I then protect the worst with tie-wrap and rubber sheet around the cable.

PROBLEM 4 - Battery control center risk of fire or short
The big battery cables that get to the BCC are connected with a big connector on the left side of the metal box. The cable connector is connected to a big screw. You will not see it easily but the big screw has a plastic washer around it so that the metal of the box does not contact the screw. Overtime, when the contact get corroded, heat will result on this connector screw and the plastic washer will melt.

See the melted plastic over the screw on top left of this picture (click on the picture):

If this happen, you could lose power or have a big short on a big battery cable that has no fuse at all. Fire could result from this and you will loose your motorhome.

Fix STEP 1: Remove the batteries and clean all the BCC connectors. Remove all the connectors to make sure you do a good job. Use dielectric greace to protect the connectors. Inspect the plastic washers. If they are no good, change them. If you have no other washers, use your drill and make a big hole where the whole cable will go inside the BCC. Use silicone and rubber to seal.

Fix STEP 2: The connector on the battery cable that connect to the BCC is not solderer. Corrosion on this connector creates heat. Use a Plomber torch and solder it so that you reduce the risk of heat that could melt the plastic washer on the connecting BCC screw.

Fix STEP 3 : In my case, I disconnected the Aux Start Solenoid that you see on the previous picture and I relocated it out of the BCC. This reduce the amount of electricity going in the BCC. This solenoid is use everytime the alternator wants to charge you coach batteries. I bought a PAC PAC500 solenoid. I installed it in the Chassis battery box area. I picked a big solenoid since I will have 4 batteries for the coach.

This virtual RECALL FOR ALL FLEETWOOD MOTORHOMES AND FOR ALL YEARS takes at least 8 hours to proceed when done for the first time. I used a big 200 watt iron.

Carl Bilodeau

N.B.: What is a "virtual recall"? A virtual recall is a candidate recall exposed by a community member. It is subject to become an official recall from the manufacturer once it is known by them and once the community speak up.
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Old 05-25-2015, 07:42 AM   #2
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All Fleetwood / All Years?

Does this include American coachs?
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All Fleetwood / All Years?

Does this include American coachs?
If you have a Battery Control Center (BCC) with a control board CB-115 or CB-200 then I presume it could have the same problem. The CB-115 has revision from A to P so it is still use for 1998 (or earlier) to 2015 models. The CB-200 was used back in the 199x.

Here is the CB-115:


Mine is a 1999 Pace Arrow Vision on Ford F53.

Take the initiative to verify and post the answer here.

On my motorhome the defective wires were related to: Stairs, stairs switch, LP Detect, Driver seat, Levering jacks and Water-heater.
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If you have a Battery Control Center (BCC) with a control board CB-115 or CB-200 then I presume it could have the same problem. The CB-115 has revision from A to P so it is still use for 2015 models.

Here is the CB-115:


Mine is a 1999 Pace Arrow on Ford F53.

Take the initiative to verify and post the answer here.
I believe I do, but it is in a metal box, within a compartment, shielded from the elements, but not the cold..
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I believe I do, but it is in a metal box, within a compartment, shielded from the elements, but not the cold..
The problem for the white connector is not inside the BCC but on the harness coming from it. If you follow the harness coming from it and see the white connector with 12 pins and if this connector is exposed to the elements then you could post it here. Otherwise, if it is not corroded a lot, you could at least clean it and use dielectric grease to protect it and to improve the electric supply.



The other items of the virtual Recall are still valid for yours.

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Glenn Lever,

The location of the BCC and the cable routing from the BCC to the items listed by the "Virtual Re-call" are completely different than what is depicted on the gasoline powered Bounder above for our vintage American Coaches.

Our BCC's are not exposed to the elements and are in a completely different location.

Thus, maybe the "Virtual Re-call" should be edited or amended.

To the OP, on your re-wiring photo of the 12 pin connector to the BCC, you are simply showing wires twisted together, some electrical tape and what appears to be new or cleaned up contacts in the connector itself.

How did you make the connections? Closed end/pigtail crimp connectors, butt splices, or hopefully not wire nuts.

Please advise for the good of the forum as I am concerned that someone will think that the photo depicts a completed job.

Thanks in advance!
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Glenn Lever,

The location of the BCC and the cable routing from the BCC to the items listed by the "Virtual Re-call" are completely different than what is depicted on the gasoline powered Bounder above for our vintage American Coaches.

Our BCC's are not exposed to the elements and are in a completely different location.

Thus, maybe the "Virtual Re-call" should be edited or amended.

To the OP, on your re-wiring photo of the 12 pin connector to the BCC, you are simply showing wires twisted together, some electrical tape and what appears to be new or cleaned up contacts in the connector itself.

How did you make the connections? Closed end/pigtail crimp connectors, butt splices, or hopefully not wire nuts.

Please advise for the good of the forum as I am concerned that someone will think that the photo depicts a completed job.

Thanks in advance!
Same with the 2014 Southwind. Everything in a sealed compartment.
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Glenn Lever,

The location of the BCC and the cable routing from the BCC to the items listed by the "Virtual Re-call" are completely different than what is depicted on the gasoline powered Bounder above for our vintage American Coaches.

Our BCC's are not exposed to the elements and are in a completely different location.

Thus, maybe the "Virtual Re-call" should be edited or amended.

To the OP, on your re-wiring photo of the 12 pin connector to the BCC, you are simply showing wires twisted together, some electrical tape and what appears to be new or cleaned up contacts in the connector itself.

How did you make the connections? Closed end/pigtail crimp connectors, butt splices, or hopefully not wire nuts.

Please advise for the good of the forum as I am concerned that someone will think that the photo depicts a completed job.

Thanks in advance!
1 - I soldered the wires with a soldering iron 200 watts. I started with a 100 watts but it was not powerful enough outside with the wind on a gage 10 wire. I use brand new 10 gage wire for the big wire and 12 for the others on the 12 pins connector. For the Driver seat and the Levering jacks I used 10 gage wire since this is the gage Fleetwood used for it.

I did not show pictures of the completed work. After the soldering I put a shield over the soldered wires with electric tape to protect. Then I used tie wrap to keep the cable stable and to make sure they don't get in a dangerous area.

My pictures of the connector with the wires in the corrects positions is there to help people find the color position of wires if some have broken over the years. I simply put the wires in the holes in this picture. I cut each individual wire after that picture. What is difficult with the connector is that the other side has white only wires. So we have to be careful and proceed with one wire at the time. But the white wires were not cut and still robusts. So with the good color position on one side you should be able not to mix wires.

The picture of the cut wires I show in the BCC with some tapes was taken while I was tracing with my ohmmeter their path. I changed them after this picture. It should help people understand that they have to replace wires up to the inside of the BCC, and most of them on the long slim connector.

I did a good job that should last another 20 years in my opinion. But on picture it would not be perfect looking since I let the cut wires hanging there, this place is so difficult to access that I let them there. My hands have a lot of scratch today. Being the first to do it, I spent more time just understanding and searching.

2 - Don't you have a 12 pins white connector? Is it in a sealed area too?

If someone has the same electrical defects I had, he would seriously consider sending the motorhome to the scrapyard. Many malfunction, battery discharge, etc.

I still have 62 fixes to do on the motorhome before we leave for 2.5 months this summer. Removing the rust under the motorhome and use of rust converter and paint is the biggest task on this list.

My writing is not perfect in English since I don't practice often in this language, French is easier for me.
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Silicone releases acids when curing that are known to corrode metal and that includes electrical connections!
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"" What is a virtual recall? ""
Apparently its an excuse to blow some minor maintenance issues way out of proportion.


Are you sure this doesn't belong in the Humor section?
some corroded connections and nicked cables on a 16 yr old rig and he wants every Fleetwood MH recalled. surely you jest
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"" What is a virtual recall? ""
Apparently its an excuse to blow some minor maintenance issues way out of proportion.


Are you sure this doesn't belong in the Humor section?
some corroded connections and nicked cables on a 16 yr old rig and he wants every Fleetwood MH recalled. surely you jest
There is the manufacturers group and there is the owners group.

I am part of the owners group.

Frequently a car is paid in 7 years, a motorhome is paid in 20 years.

I don't want to go in the humor section. I met the people of the humor section last year in my trips too much : people paying 300 000$ and more for a camping vehicule!, Paying 11000$ to change 2 manifolds on a diesel, or someone who buy a diesel to runs only 6000 miles a year, or someone that pays 1500$/month for a 150 000$ mortgage on a depreciated 55000$ value coach of 7 to 8 years, or another that paid 500000$ for a brand new Allegrobus and then came the divorce with the wife or another in Florida that spend 2 days to pack in and 2 days to pack out on a 12 days trip a year on a 150 000$ coach, or another that did not use the 300000$ motorhome for 2 years beeing too busy and then spent 4500$ for tires and has many depts. No I don't want to go in the humor section please. )
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"" What is a virtual recall? ""
Apparently its an excuse to blow some minor maintenance issues way out of proportion.


Are you sure this doesn't belong in the Humor section?
some corroded connections and nicked cables on a 16 yr old rig and he wants every Fleetwood MH recalled. surely you jest
Agreed.
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