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Hudsoner · 12-08-2010, 07:52 PM

Would anybody know what the approximate "dry" weight of a 2002 Fleetwood Fiesta is?
The unit is equipped with the 8.1 Vortec engine and the W20 chassis. it has the two air conditioner option. The brochure that Fleetwood did send me does not specifiy the empty weight of the coach.

Any idea is appreciated because this is the deciding point whether I would buy the unit or not.

Gary RVRoamer · 12-08-2010, 08:31 PM

It will be shown as the unladen weight on the RVIA weight sticker which should be posted in some cabinet in the coach. The sticker show unladen weight, GVWR, GCWR, water capacity & weight and other useful data.

If the brochure gives the CCC & water and sleep capacity (SCWR), subtract that from 20,700 lbs, which is the GVWR of the W20 chassis, and you are pretty clse to the unladen weight. It will be wet rather than dry, but that's not a big difference.

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Hudsoner · 12-09-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary RVRoamer

It will be shown as the unladen weight on the RVIA weight sticker which should be posted in some cabinet in the coach. The sticker show unladen weight, GVWR, GCWR, water capacity & weight and other useful data.

If the brochure gives the CCC & water and sleep capacity (SCWR), subtract that from 20,700 lbs, which is the GVWR of the W20 chassis, and you are pretty clse to the unladen weight. It will be wet rather than dry, but that's not a big difference.

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It would have been nice, if Fleetwood have given exhaustive information.
However, this is the only info I can find:

Engine Liters 8.1L
Wheelbase 190
GVWR (lbs./kgs.) (1) 15,000
Front GAWR (lbs.) (2) 6,000
Rear GAWR (lbs) (2) 10,000
Base Weight (lbs) (3) N/A
GCWR (lbs) (4) 18,500
Hitch Rating Weight (lbs) 3,500
Tongue Weight (lbs) 350
Fuel Capacity (gal) 75

From the workhorse Chassis manual I found that the unit has a P31 chassis, and that I can increase the tow rating (for a vehicle towed on all four), if I decrease the coach weight (which means less payload in the coach). Since it is only my son and I who would tow our Jeep, we could decrease the weight of the payload quite a bit (less personal items, no water in the holding tanks, etc.). However, I do not have a base for any calculation as long as I don't know the dry weight, or the max payload of this motorhome.

The hitch rating is not an issue, because we have ample means to increase this (an appropriate MIG welder, some steel and skill can do wonderful things

). We need to gain about 500 lbs.

Gary RVRoamer · 12-10-2010, 07:24 PM

You need to be sure what the chassis is - W20 and P30 have different specs. If you have the 8.1L engine in a 2002 coach, I'm pretty sure you have the W20 and not the P32 series, which used a 454 (7.4L) engine in 2002. The VIN will identify it for sure.

Did you look in all the cabinets for the RVIA weight label? It will have everything you are asking about.

Or there is the easy way to get an unequivocal answer: just weigh the coach. That's all you really care about, right? For under $10 you can get the true weight, not some factory fiction called dry weight.

I looked up the specs on a Fleetwood Storm, which I belive is a sister to the Fiesta. A 30 footer on the 190" Workhorse chassis has a GVWR of 17000 lbs, GCWR of 20,700 and an unladen weight of 12,700. I doubt if any coach actually delivered to an owner weighed as little as 12,700, though.

Hudsoner · 12-11-2010, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary RVRoamer

You need to be sure what the chassis is - W20 and P30 have different specs. If you have the 8.1L engine in a 2002 coach, I'm pretty sure you have the W20 and not the P32 series, which used a 454 (7.4L) engine in 2002. The VIN will identify it for sure.

Did you look in all the cabinets for the RVIA weight label? It will have everything you are asking about.

Or there is the easy way to get an unequivocal answer: just weigh the coach. That's all you really care about, right? For under $10 you can get the true weight, not some factory fiction called dry weight.

I looked up the specs on a Fleetwood Storm, which I belive is a sister to the Fiesta. A 30 footer on the 190" Workhorse chassis has a GVWR of 17000 lbs, GCWR of 20,700 and an unladen weight of 12,700. I doubt if any coach actually delivered to an owner weighed as little as 12,700, though.

the Problem is that i don't have the unit, I am looking into buying it. the VIN check with Workhorse showed that it is a P chassis (Model/Wheelbase:
P31932 / 190" ). I asked the current owner to take a look for a label. He found the Fleetwood label , but that did not reveal anything.

My problem here is that the specs say that the unit has a tow rating of 3500 lbs., and the vehicle that I need to tow has a weight of 3700 - 3800 lbs.

Workhorse informed me that the hitch can be made stronger (or changed), and that the towing weight can be increased, by decreasing the GVWR. To do that, I need to have a figure that I can use to base my decrease upon. It seems to be impossible to find a figure for the unloaded vehicle weight or the net carrying capacity.

ccook129 · 12-11-2010, 09:53 AM

PRODUCTS Go here and click on my workhorse and enter the vin # you will get all the info on that unit.You might have to register,and you have a P32 same as I do.

Hudsoner · 12-11-2010, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ccook129

PRODUCTS Go here and click on my workhorse and enter the vin # you will get all the info on that unit.You might have to register,and you have a P32 same as I do.

I did that. However, since it is still registered for the current owner, I can't get in, and he forgot what his password is.

If you have the same platform, could you give me the approx. numbers from you unit (i assume that there is not a dramatic difference)?

Gary RVRoamer · 12-11-2010, 08:13 PM

Have you looked at the Workhorse Chassis Manual yourself? When I use the decoder in my Workhorse chassis manual, that P31932 doesn't make any sense. The only place a "P" would occur is digit 5 and there it means "Forward Control", which includes both the P series and the W series. The next digit should be either a "5" or a "6", where 5=P32 and 6=W22. Digit 7 should be a '4' or '7' for a motorhome chassis (a 1 indicates a step van) and digit 8 is the engine type, either G=8.1L or J=7.4L.

If I decode P31932, it reads Forward Control, pre-MY 2001 one ton, Step Van, an unknown engine type, (check digit) and model year 2002. The first & last digits are the only thing that seem to fit.

It turns out the 8.1L engine was used in both the P & W series in model years 2001 and 2002, so we cannot use engine as a means to distinguish the two. You could measure the wheelbase, though. The 190" was available only in the P series.

Hudsoner · 12-11-2010, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary RVRoamer

Have you looked at the Workhorse Chassis Manual yourself? When I use the decoder in my Workhorse chassis manual, that P31932 doesn't make any sense. The only place a "P" would occur is digit 5 and there it means "Forward Control", which includes both the P series and the W series. The next digit should be either a "5" or a "6", where 5=P32 and 6=W22. Digit 7 should be a '4' or '7' for a motorhome chassis (a 1 indicates a step van) and digit 8 is the engine type, either G=8.1L or J=7.4L.

If I decode P31932, it reads Forward Control, pre-MY 2001 one ton, Step Van, an unknown engine type, (check digit) and model year 2002. The first & last digits are the only thing that seem to fit.

It turns out the 8.1L engine was used in both the P & W series in model years 2001 and 2002, so we cannot use engine as a means to distinguish the two. You could measure the wheelbase, though. The 190" was available only in the P series.

Workhorse did give me the P31932 info. It is the 190" P series unit.

ccook129 · 12-12-2010, 06:18 AM

My Motorhome

Hudsoner · 12-12-2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ccook129

My Motorhome

That is how I got the info I know from workhorse. But I am still without any idea what the other weights are!

Gary RVRoamer · 12-12-2010, 04:38 PM

I guess you are going to have to go find the RVIA sticker yourself (it has the unladen weight) or get the dealer or whoever to get it weighed for you. Wishing you had the numbers isn't going to make it happen, and Fleetwood isn't going to update the missing numbers in a 9 year old brochure.

Hudsoner · 12-12-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary RVRoamer

I guess you are going to have to go find the RVIA sticker yourself (it has the unladen weight) or get the dealer or whoever to get it weighed for you. Wishing you had the numbers isn't going to make it happen, and Fleetwood isn't going to update the missing numbers in a 9 year old brochure.

I am afraid that is so.

I would like to thank you guys for the help your were giving me!