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Old 04-08-2021, 12:03 AM   #1
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Idle and Silverleaf questions

Putting a lot of miles on my new to me Country Coach sunset bay with ISL 400 Cummins and have a few questions.
First, a question about warming up the engine. I keep it in indoor storage in Southern California and want to wash it in the next few days. Is it okay to start it up, let it idle a few minutes, and slowly pull it out of the building to wash and wax it? And, then, repeat the process to put it back into storage.

Second, I'm having an issue with the Silverleaf VMS-240. Specifically, with the setting of the date and time. I have a VMS switch that is mounted toward the rear of the coach in the cabinet with the thermostat, hydro hot and Xantrex controls. If I turn the switch off, it turns the Silverleaf off at the dash. If I leave the switch on, the monitor never shuts off. If I leave the monitor on, the unit will retain the date and time settings. However, I turn the monitor off when its parked and it will not keep the day and date settings. I've read in other posts of a battery that needs replacing in a TM 102 controller mounted somewhere in the coach which I have not been able to find.
Has anyone else experienced this and what have you done to to correct it? And, does anyone with a Sunset Bay model no where they put the TM-102?

As always, thank you in advance for your help.
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Idle and Silverleaf questions

2007 Sunset Bay and my VMS power switch is underneath the Silverleaf display on the dash. And I power it down each time I shut off the Coach. Day/time is not lost. Something is different in your scenario. Do you have your coach wiring schematics?

Second - my TM102 is located in bathroom lower cabinet behind outside false wall. I do not have a battery in the TM102 module. As I understand the TM102 is to connect gen info to Silverleaf network in our coaches. I could be wrong on this one.

Edit - starting coach to idle outside and then back inside is not an issue. Full throttle at cold can be an issue as oil pressure is high (thick oil) until warm up - but thatís not your question

Hope this helps
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Well - I was wrong. According to BonS in this thread (Clicky here) there is an internal battery in the TM102 AND the base VM240 Silverleaf head unit.

Good luck - BonS did a great job summarizing his repair to dead clock issue.

PS - It appears all the Silverleaf web information is shut down since Winegard bought them

Hope this helps.
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Thank you Brian,
Again, you've been a great help. The info you provided moving the coach was exactly what I needed. Most posts seem to indicate the need to drive it if it's started and I just want to be sure. I didn't even know the coach had a fast idle until I was reading some of these posts, so I still have much to learn.
I will try and find the tm-102 module so I can wire it to the on position as BonS did. The link he provided is no longer active. The module should be somewhere near the switch I would imagine.

Thanks again
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Hello,
On my 2008 Sunset the the module is in the cabinet under the sink in the bathroom. There is a panel on the outside panel to remove for battery replacement. That fixed my Silverleaf from losing time.
Good luck.
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Edit - starting coach to idle outside and then back inside is not an issue. Full throttle at cold can be an issue as oil pressure is high (thick oil) until warm up - but thatís not your question

Hope this helps
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Brian, I've always heard that we should try to minimize running our engines without getting them up to operating temperature, so as to avoid condensation forming in the engine and exhaust system. Yeah, we all need to move our coaches occasionally and often don't want to also "go for a drive" so we can reach operating temp, but I'm always concerned about doing that when I'm going to be parked for a longer period afterwards. Is there actually nothing to worry about?
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I would also chime in. Seems like at times there are as many opinions as people. I have had my share of self afflicted issues. This is one of the many questions. I never use the inverter and in its place I like to use the generator. According to the good book it states "shut off the circuit breaker on the panel" So in the past 8 years what I have done is: start the coach, hear the woosh, and then start the generator and then disconnect the power. I have been told this wrong. I have am on my way to Eugene and have not been able to start the generator. Seems like I am my own worst enemy.
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Brian, I've always heard that we should try to minimize running our engines without getting them up to operating temperature, so as to avoid condensation forming in the engine and exhaust system. Yeah, we all need to move our coaches occasionally and often don't want to also "go for a drive" so we can reach operating temp, but I'm always concerned about doing that when I'm going to be parked for a longer period afterwards. Is there actually nothing to worry about?
I have operated my rig for a short period of time on several occasions and then shut it down after not raising the engine temps. I suspect everybody has.

My oil samples are steady, satisfactory and the engine condensation problem has not been apparent for the past 19 years and 86,000 miles (110,000 total).

These diesel engines appear to be tough.

But......do not stop worrying based on my experience.

I only have a fleet of one diesel engine and one diesel generator and used to be a desk jockey.
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appears to be good information: " Do not shut off until oil pressure comes on, will file that
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