06 Camelot

[Terry W]

We're going to look at a 40' '06 Camelot this week end. The coach looks very nice in pictures, we'll see.

I am wondering if there is anything in particular that I should look for or check. Any issues these coaches had or may be lurking?

Thanks

[96 Wideglide]

If the tires are original, there due to be replaced.

Good luck !!

[Rburian]

Some Cummins Engines had wrist pin issues around this year, get the engine serial number and give Cummins a call to verify no issues with this engine.

[Steve Ownby]

Originally Posted by Rjburian

Some Cummins Engines had wrist pin issues around this year, get the engine serial number and give Cummins a call to verify no issues with this engine.

Here is the serial # range:

ISL wrist pin defect serial number range
Defect Summary: CERTAIN ISL CUMMINS CM850 DIESEL ENGINES PRODUCED FOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLE APPLICATIONS BETWEEN OCTOBER 17, 2005, AND APRIL 18, 2006, WITH ENGINE SERIAL NUMBER RANGE FROM 46543077 TO 46603939. THE CONNECTING ROD CONTAINS A MACHINING DEFECT IN THE WRIST PIN BUSHING OF THE ROD THAT COULD CAUSE SEIZURE OF THE PISTON PIN.

Consequence Summary: IF ALLOWED TO PROGRESS, THIS COULD LEAD TO ENGINE FAILURE WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF THE ROD RUPTURING THE BLOCK CAVITY. OIL AND DEBRIS ON THE ROADWAY COULD RESULT IN A VEHICLE CRASH.
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Steve Ownby
Full time since '07

[JRPA]

We purchased our Camelot last summer and have been very happy with it. There is the Norcold Refrigerator recall that you need to check on. It probably affects you so you will need to decide how you want to address it.


Our drivers side full wall slide was making some popping noises, and we had it fixed last week. The slide moves on rollers (plastic) and both of them were worn and broken. They were replaced with metal rollers ($2,000) but works really well now.


If your Camelot has been maintained properly, I have no doubt you will love it and be pleasantly surprised with the quality and workmanship that went into you building your coach.

[Terry W]

Thanks for the input.

I am curious about the wrist pin issue. I remember hearing about it but since I wasn't affected I didn't pay any attention to it other than I know it existed. Was there a recall for the affected motors or any kind of factory fix? If so is can I call Cummins and find out if the problem was addressed.

As for the Norcold issue I also remember hearing about that, but I was also unaffected. Is this a problem with all Norcolds or just a certain model range? How will I know if it's one of the bad ones? What would the options be for an owner?

Another question that came up is CCC for the Camelots, I've heard that it's a fairly low number somewhere around 1400lbs. Has this been an issue with owners? Does this also hold true for other models, Diplomat etc?

Thanks again, Terry

[2 Stroker]

Originally Posted by Terry W

Thanks for the input.

I am curious about the wrist pin issue. I remember hearing about it but since I wasn't affected I didn't pay any attention to it other than I know it existed. Was there a recall for the affected motors or any kind of factory fix? If so is can I call Cummins and find out if the problem was addressed.

As for the Norcold issue I also remember hearing about that, but I was also unaffected. Is this a problem with all Norcolds or just a certain model range? How will I know if it's one of the bad ones? What would the options be for an owner?

Another question that came up is CCC for the Camelots, I've heard that it's a fairly low number somewhere around 1400lbs. Has this been an issue with owners? Does this also hold true for other models, Diplomat etc?

Thanks again, Terry

My CC came with the Not-So-Cold frig and it lived up to it's name and it had the recall so I ditched it. Even with the recall they still may go up in flames, I like to sleep at night. All of the Camelots I looked at had the Norcolds 4 door.
Here are a few to look at.
2007Â*MonacoÂ*Camelot 38 PDQ w/4 SlidesÂ*listed on RVOnline.com -RVs for Sale
2007Â*MonacoÂ*Camelot 42 PDQ w/4 SlidesÂ*listed on RVOnline.com -RVs for Sale
2 stroker

[Rburian]

Call Cummins with the serial number and they will provide info as to your engine, also register online with Cummins Quick Serve and you can see any recalls or issues with your engine.

[King Richard]

We have 2006 Camelot, pretty well pleased, but have had numerous items replaced using a service contract that was expensive. I would suggest to review the maintenance on the coach that was done or will be due soon. I am replacing tires soon. I have suggestions to consider shock replacements. These can get costly!


Operation of the satellite dish, they fail. Check plumbing behind the water heater. Rear monitor operation, some times intermittent failures. Front door operation and door check. Check the windshield and seal. Use the leveling system and see how it works, this can put stress on the windshield.
The maintenance is important...new coolant, fuel filters, generator oil and coolant, oil and filter changes, water heater flushing...all need to be up to date

[Terry W]

Today we looked at and drove the '06 Camelot PAQ floor plan. We have pretty well decided this is the floor plan we want, it's suits us perfectly. That's the good news!

Now for the bad(?), the engine number falls right dead center of the engine numbers with the wrist pin issues. Also, the Norcold refer hasn't been changed out and I don't know if the update, fwiw, has been done.

I have the engine number and I will call Cummins to see what I can find out.

I guess my question is, would this be a deal breaker???

The refer is an issue but not something that can't be taken care of.

My concern is the engine. The MH has 29k miles on it. Is there a magic mileage cut off point that the engine either fails or doesn't? Should I walk away or run?

The coach is on a dealers lot and they will replace all 6 tires, all fluids and belts and detail everything and address a couple of little issues we found.

Price is $134K. I'm not sure, but it seems a little high!?!?!?

The PAQ floor plan is relatively scarce, we had never seen one except in pictures. I believe HR and Beaver also had this floor plan.

Thoughts???

[tomd85208]

Hi Terry, There is an 06 Camelot 40PAC at PPLMotorhomes.com listed for $104,995., it has 39K miles but from the pictures it looks good. That's about a $30,000.00 savings! Their lot number for this coach is D760.
Good Luck!
PS- I really love this floorplan Too! Just wish it had cabinets in the curbside slide.

[Steve Ownby]

Originally Posted by Terry W

Today we looked at and drove the '06 Camelot PAQ floor plan. We have pretty well decided this is the floor plan we want, it's suits us perfectly. That's the good news!

Now for the bad(?), the engine number falls right dead center of the engine numbers with the wrist pin issues. Also, the Norcold refer hasn't been changed out and I don't know if the update, fwiw, has been done.

I have the engine number and I will call Cummins to see what I can find out.

I guess my question is, would this be a deal breaker???

The refer is an issue but not something that can't be taken care of.

My concern is the engine. The MH has 29k miles on it. Is there a magic mileage cut off point that the engine either fails or doesn't? Should I walk away or run?

The coach is on a dealers lot and they will replace all 6 tires, all fluids and belts and detail everything and address a couple of little issues we found.

Price is $134K. I'm not sure, but it seems a little high!?!?!?

The PAQ floor plan is relatively scarce, we had never seen one except in pictures. I believe HR and Beaver also had this floor plan.

Thoughts???

Terry,

That is a real conundrum! I don't think I could live with the uncertainty. Has the warning kit been installed on the engine? The Cummins answer for this issue was pretty feeble. Any Cummins warrantee is long past unless they will extend the warrantee for this particular failure.

I think I would keep looking unless the price made it worthwhile. I agree, the price sounds like high retail.


Steve Ownby
Full time since '07

[Chuck48]

Terry,
I also have the Cummins ISL with the serial number falling under the wrist pin issue. I had the recall preformed by Cummins when I bought the coach 4 years ago. It is only a warning system not a fix. I was told by the service manager and a mechanic that if your engine has the defect it show up early, usually under 15,000 miles. I bought the Good Sam extended service plan, which would cover this issue. This is a good plan because you can pay for it by the month rather than a large up front fee. This gave me peace of mind. When I bought the 06 Monaco Diplomat it had 9000 miles on it now it has in the low 30,000's. The coach was perfect for us and I decided to risk the engine issue.
I wouldn't let the wrist pin issue stop me if it is the perfect coach. However, from what I am seeing the price should fall between 100,000 and 120,000. Time to negotiate. The previous owner of my coach had already replaced the Norcold with a Dometic. I didn't have to deal with that. I'm not sure what your coach weighs or its GVWR, mine is a 40' and when I weighed it I have a 3600 pound cargo capacity. Weigh the coach before you buy. Monaco coaches of that era are great coaches with a very nice ride. Make a good choice, and good luck!

Chuck

[K7JV]

Hi, Terry.

Here's a picture of our Norcold, after the modification. The actual "layout" that you see may depend on the tech that did the modification, but the critical components of it would be the same. You should see a wire that runs into the side of the foil-wrapped heat exchanger as seen in the upper right corner, and runs to a module about half the size of a small pack of cigarettes that you see in the upper left corner of the photo. Both of those items were added when performing the modification.

I apologize for the quality of the picture, but you should be able to see what the finished product involves and be able to easily identify whether the coach you are looking at has been updated.

Good luck in your search!