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04-15-2021, 10:21 AM
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Monaco Owners Club
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Location: Utah
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Awesome looking install and way easier than mine. Just for the record the same guy must have installed my fittings on the filter head as well. I've never seen JIC fittings so freaking tight.
You mentioned that you recently replaced your OEM lift pump, is your ISL engine a CAPS or HPCR injection system? I'm curious because if it is the HPCR you will want to keep the fuel flowing through the ECM cooling plate whereas the CAPS injection system does not have one so the lift pump can be easily bypassed.
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04-15-2021, 11:28 AM
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I just did this same install. Word of caution. The prescreen on the input side of the air dog can easily plug up with sediment or rust from the tank. I found out my pickup tube is NOT aluminum, but steel. Rust flakes are coming off and getting stuck in the screen. Mine was 1/2 plugged after 200 miles. Currently looking for a solution.
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2003 Monaco Dynasty Chancellor 40' 400ISL with Tag
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04-15-2021, 11:45 AM
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ISL caps, 2003 chassis.
I bought a goldenrod Filter and screen to put prior to the raptor But that will not get done until I get back to NY where I can fab my own mounting brackets.
The one word out caution on these pumps, according to AIRDOG they are not flow thru, so if the pump dies the may not allow fuel to be pulled thru
Mine starts and idles fine with out the pump running but I may have to put in the Gauge b4 for I drive home so I can watch for a decrease in pressure.
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Lynn, Guy & Rocky
2016 Newmar London Aire
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04-15-2021, 06:31 PM
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Location: San Francisco Bay Area, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by r3meyer
I just did this same install. Word of caution. The prescreen on the input side of the air dog can easily plug up with sediment or rust from the tank. I found out my pickup tube is NOT aluminum, but steel. Rust flakes are coming off and getting stuck in the screen. Mine was 1/2 plugged after 200 miles. Currently looking for a solution.
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I would pull the fuel through a primary filter. Tank to primary filter to fuel pump to secondary filter to CAPS.
Bill
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2003 Country Coach Intrigue 36'
Cummins ISL 400
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04-16-2021, 04:26 AM
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Holiday Rambler Owners Club
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Originally Posted by zmotorsports
You mentioned that you recently replaced your OEM lift pump, is your ISL engine a CAPS or HPCR injection system? I'm curious because if it is the HPCR you will want to keep the fuel flowing through the ECM cooling plate whereas the CAPS injection system does not have one so the lift pump can be easily bypassed.
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Per Cummins, my -04 Imperial has Aug -03 built engine and has CAPS.
The below is a caption from my Owner's manual but it does not say anything regarding CAPS vs HPCR.
"The fuel passes through the fuel transfer pump, which is a fixed clearance gear transfer pump, and through passages in the electronic control module (ECM) in order to provide cooling for the electronics."
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2019 Buick Envision AWD
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04-16-2021, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Lowflyer1
Per Cummins, my -04 Imperial has Aug -03 built engine and has CAPS.
The below is a caption from my Owner's manual but it does not say anything regarding CAPS vs HPCR.
"The fuel passes through the fuel transfer pump, which is a fixed clearance gear transfer pump, and through passages in the electronic control module (ECM) in order to provide cooling for the electronics."
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I've seen you post that before but I haven't seen a CAPS with a cooling plate mounted to the ECM that draws fuel through, that seems to be a HPCR injection system routing design as far as I can tell, even the lift pumps are quite different between the CAPS system and HPCR system. Granted I haven't worked on a ton of CAPS systems but the few I have worked on, the lift pump is further towards the bell housing than the ECM and the ECM mounts to the side of the block with no cooling plate. On the HPCR system I worked on the lift pump was actually mounted to the cooling plate and had rigid lines routing the fuel in/out of the cooling plate. I could be wrong and they exist such as maybe in a crossover year.
Maybe someone else can confirm their actual personal routing on their coach as I am less apt to go solely off an owner's manual as I've see too many discrepancies in my years. On my ISL (in OEM design) after the primary filter, the fuel ran into the lift pump, out of the lift pump directly to the secondary filter then to the CAPS injection pump with nothing to do with the ECM and all were flexible fuel lines not rigid.
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04-16-2021, 08:23 AM
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Mine is like Mike stated, near the bell housing and not the HPCR.
I stopped by the hydraulic shop and donated some more $$ to get a hose and fittings to add the Goldenrod filter b4 the pump. I was going to wait but might as well install it b4 the trip back to NY.
Pressure gauge will get a temp install as well to be permanently mounted at home.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I will be using the mesh screen
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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2016 Newmar London Aire
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04-16-2021, 08:33 AM
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Thanks for confirming how yours is set up. I think it is important for us Monaco coach owners to be specific when we are talking about what we "actually" have vs. what we think we have or what manuals state because if there is one thing about these Monaco coaches is that they are all somewhat unique even though they're the same. I'm sure most will get my meaning.
I think you will be glad you put in some filtering media prior to the Raptor pump in the long run. Especially hearing how some have had restrictions after as little as a couple hundred miles. More peace of mind for you even though a bit more work now.
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04-16-2021, 09:10 AM
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That was my thought, and with the goldenrod I can see right away if i have an issue with many things.
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Lynn, Guy & Rocky
2016 Newmar London Aire
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04-16-2021, 12:17 PM
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I cleared this every fuel stop. Will be happy to get that pre-filter installed.
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04-17-2021, 01:33 PM
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I installed the goldenrod filter, the mesh screen would not screw in so I used water separator. I need to call the vendor Monday on the screen.
My input screen to the pump had a few specks in it so this pre filter is needed.
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2016 Newmar London Aire
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04-17-2021, 02:57 PM
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Someone else that shared the Goldenrod housing and screen , but they may have used the coarser basket one. Is it bad threads or wrong threads I wonder.
They somehow found a basic heavy sheet metal mount that I didn't see listed anywhere.
If you didn't notice their waterblock filters have absorbent media in them and will swell up once they get a dose of water. Other makers can use a repellant layer instead.
That is sure is a tiny screen as prefilter .
When they designed a unit at work pre pump filter screen baskets were installed with 325 mesh screen . The final cut of product is done over eight vibrating 30" screeners stacked three progressive screens the final being 325 mesh. They freaked out as we started to rip the screens out dozens of pump filter baskets that pluged in seconds and couldn't seem to understand why it couldn't work, when older units that made 100s of pounds of plus 60 & 125 & 325 mesh per shift only had/ needed pump protecting baskets.
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95 Monaco Crown Royale
M11 400hp, 4060 trans.
Aquahot, Generac Guardian7.5k
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04-18-2021, 05:11 AM
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It was almost like it was a hair to big, it started but then the basket slipped on the crimped section and would not tighten or loosen, i ended up tearing the basket off and using pliers to remove the threaded insert.
It was not cross threaded just not right
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2016 Newmar London Aire
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