Auto-leveling when parked

[Captjake1]

..."However, earlier I swapped the panel out for another one that came with coach in a box of miscellaneous stuff (no idea if it was new or bad), and this time when I switch off engine I can push AUTO and the AUTO button as well as POWER button will flash at maybe a 2-3 hertz rate. No red or green leveling lites, tho. So far (for past 4-6 hours) I haven't heard the pump come on, but dunno if it's sagging enough yet (at least I haven't fallen over anyways) since no lites to tell me if it recognized anything needs adjusting."...
That is how mine functions.
The re-adjust time can be adjusted in the settings. Usually factory was 2 hours I think? I changed mine to 8 hours (because of prior leak)

[dverstra]

Originally Posted by vito.a

Here are links to some of the Power Gear Valid level system manuals:
http://beaveramb.org/wp-content/uplo...ice_Manual.pdf
https://www.lci1.com/assets/content/...ll-service.pdf
https://www.lci1.com/assets/content/...ual_airhyd.pdf

Vito
Thanks for those links. I'm currently working on my PowerGear/Valid level system and the links helped.

[Bill767]

Originally Posted by hypoxia

Because it is a very noisy compressor which seems to have a timer that activates the compressor between midnight and 3AM! I need to find a way to silence it or find a quiet compressor.

Funny, mine isn't loud at all, especially since I moved into the bay where my Aqua-hot is. I might just be able to hear it.

[10Boomer]

Originally Posted by Bill767

Funny, mine isn't loud at all, especially since I moved into the bay where my Aqua-hot is. I might just be able to hear it.

Good idea, another QZ project if I make it this year.

[RayJo]

The leveling system is activated when engine is running and you press the auto level button. When lights go out and begin flashing slowly—turn engine off. Once engine is off you cannot press manual without disabling the auto level function. Auto leveling will raise the coach automatically when it wakes up to check the levels. If you are leaning that much and the coach needs to be raised substantially often—you have a severe leak.

[RustyTools]

I have another question...

When in AUTO mode, and (hopefully) working like it should, where does the leveling system get its air? Is it solely from the little air compressor/tank (it's up front next to the genset on mine) or does it use air from the main tanks too? Yes, I have a small leak (can't fix it right now), but it seems the little compressor is all that's being used, where I would have thought the big tanks would help too.

I think I saw an air-plumbing diagram of everything on here at one time which might help me understand, but darn if I can find it now.


Sorry for sounding like such an 'air-head' about this leveling business but it's got me running in circles. I'm not sure if it's all working like it's supposed-to and I am just missing something , or if there really is an issue/failure somewhere and I don't know it.


Thanks!

[windsorbill]

Originally Posted by RustyTools

I have another question...

When in AUTO mode, and (hopefully) working like it should, where does the leveling system get its air? Is it solely from the little air compressor/tank (it's up front next to the genset on mine) or does it use air from the main tanks too? Yes, I have a small leak (can't fix it right now), but it seems the little compressor is all that's being used, where I would have thought the big tanks would help too.

I think I saw an air-plumbing diagram of everything on here at one time which might help me understand, but darn if I can find it now.


Sorry for sounding like such an 'air-head' about this leveling business but it's got me running in circles. I'm not sure if it's all working like it's supposed-to and I am just missing something , or if there really is an issue/failure somewhere and I don't know it.


Thanks!

Your air leveling air only comes from the air leveling tank. However, it has 2 sources to get filled. When main engine is running it will get filled, (but there is a check valve so the air won't go back into the main air system), or it's filled with your aux air pump.

Elaborate more on your comment:

"I'm not sure if it's all working like it's supposed-to and I am just missing something , or if there really is an issue/failure somewhere and I don't know it."

[pwhittle]

The auxiliary pump does not fill the tanks. It is only used to fill the bags when auto leveling calls for additional air to maintain the level.

[RustyTools]

Thanks for that, Bill.

Yeah, I may sound paranoid (lol), but I'm trying to get my head around all this a bit more. Always had hydraulic levelers before with one pump and 3 (or 4 lines), simple to use and understand.
This coach came with 2 control boards from PO, and this second one (which I found loose in a box) 'seems' to work the way it's described, but wasn't sure. On the first one, the AUTO mode lite would go on, but nothing would ever happen, and would never have known til I asked about it here .

Also, the other day the little pump kept running thru 3 cycles of the pop-off valve before finally stopping, making me wonder why - as it never went that long before. Nothing else (coach position, etc) had changed.


I am also leery of almost everything on this coach. I may have stated before, but the PO had some very weird ideas and mods for some things and as soon as I find/fix one, I run into more. Kinda like playing 'Whack-A-Mole'.


Thanks

[windsorbill]

Originally Posted by RustyTools

Thanks for that, Bill.

Yeah, I may sound paranoid (lol), but I'm trying to get my head around all this a bit more. Always had hydraulic levelers before with one pump and 3 (or 4 lines), simple to use and understand.
This coach came with 2 control boards from PO, and this second one (which I found loose in a box) 'seems' to work the way it's described, but wasn't sure. On the first one, the AUTO mode lite would go on, but nothing would ever happen, and would never have known til I asked about it here .

Also, the other day the little pump kept running thru 3 cycles of the pop-off valve before finally stopping, making me wonder why - as it never went that long before. Nothing else (coach position, etc) had changed.


I am also leery of almost everything on this coach. I may have stated before, but the PO had some very weird ideas and mods for some things and as soon as I find/fix one, I run into more. Kinda like playing 'Whack-A-Mole'.


Thanks

PO's little projects always are a challenge.

If the little pump continues to run as you say, something isn't right. The shut off switch isn't doing what it's suppose to do, obviously.

I may have mentioned before, but Monaco (my coach, I've seen several Camelots, beavers and at least 1 sig) plumbed the check valve on the aux air pump incorrectly. Very likely your coach too. Easy fix. It might fix the extended running time on that aux pump of your's.

[RustyTools]

Does sound like a possibility, tho it's never run this long before at one time. If the check valve is reversed, would that mean the little pump is trying to fill the big tanks ?

You've mentioned the check-valve issue before, Bill, and I've not come up with anything in searching. Could you point me to it, please?

I did find the diagram I was thinking of, but it's for HWH. I assume Valid is essentially the same?

[96 Wideglide]

As you can see in this HWH diagram, they don't have a seperate air tank, like the Valid system uses.
There may be several differences in the plumbing between the two systems.

[windsorbill]

Originally Posted by RustyTools

Does sound like a possibility, tho it's never run this long before at one time. If the check valve is reversed, would that mean the little pump is trying to fill the big tanks ?

You've mentioned the check-valve issue before, Bill, and I've not come up with anything in searching. Could you point me to it, please?

I did find the diagram I was thinking of, but it's for HWH. I assume Valid is essentially the same?

I have the Valid system air only leveling. I thought you did too. Like Ben says, the HWH are different enough to screw you up if you're trying to figure things out from the diagram.

PM me and I'll dig up some more pictures and drawings for you. We'll figure this thing out.

[RustyTools]

"...the HWH are different enough to screw you up if you're trying to figure things out from the diagram..."
The Install/Service manual references a diagram, but it's not included.


PM off to Windsorbill with thanks.