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03-09-2019, 10:29 AM
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Good morning Jim; Mike has some great insight with a windshield replacement as he has gone through such a replacement. Sorry to hear your replacement did not go as you hoped it would. My suggestion on Monday would be to call RV Glass Solutions in Coburg Oregon. Go check out their web site before hand. They have some interesting reading. I also understand that they partner with shops who also share their expertise in windshield repair and replacement on coaches. In 2015 I had my fogged driver side window replaced with solid pane glass on my 01 Windsor and could not be happier with the job and results from the replacement. While I was there I saw a number of coaches with windshield problems. A coach owner allowed me to listen in on his conversation with 2 techs. and the shop supervisor on how to fix the cracking of the windshield in his 2005 H.R. Imperial. It was amazing to listen to these people talk of how and what it takes to make sure the problem is solved once and for all after they get done with the process. I was impressed! I know you are far from Oregon, but it might be worth your time to make a call to them and see what information you can acquire to make sure this job is done right the next time. Let us know what happens and good luck!
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03-09-2019, 10:38 AM
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Unfortunately the chassis used in the Patriot Thunder in 04 was probably a Magnum. Mine has an S-Series which is a much stiffer platform. I have very little or no noise when levelling or returning to ride height. In fact, I often forget and dump the coach, level, and then put out the slides and honestly, it makes no difference.
Having said that (it relates to it cracking), my windshield used to leak in rain but only at highway speed, never parked. Without the pressure of the air over the glass the water would not penetrate. I had it fixed at RV Glass solutions a few years back, and when I broke mine (stone chip that I didn't notice spread into a crack) I took it back. I do have a small leak in the rain at highway speed again, and I'll take it back this summer.
RV Glass are mainly interested in selling the glass, so they will help anyone with technical advice.
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2010 Ford Flex Ecoboost AWD
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03-09-2019, 12:45 PM
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Some very good points above. If the glass appears tight in the corner when installing, the fit is not correct. Either the glass has to be sanded smaller in the corner or the opening has to be increased. In most cases it's much easier to just sand down the glass. Most of the time, only removing 1/8 of an inch or so, solves the issue. Putting a twist in the body using the leveling system to install the glass should never be done. That's just asking for trouble. For the installer, it's easy to tell if the glass is to tight. Most seasoned installers might not say a word, and will work the glass in anyway. Watch them, you can tell if they're struggling to long with it. Their focus is going to be on installing it, tight or not. If it's in and not cracked, it's on to the next job. Many big, corporate, chain glass shops pay their installers per install. Not by a hourly wage. They are paid X amount for every install. The more they install in a day, the more money they take home. Stay away from those large, piece work companies. They are focused on getting you done and out the door a.s.a.p.. Also, I've never seen an installer that actually wants to install a new gasket. A new gasket is very stiff, unformed and can make the install more difficult. The rubber gasket is referred to as a "self locking" gasket. That's far from the truth. A new gasket is hard to lock back up in comparison to the old one. Naturally because of this, most installers will tell you your old gasket looks just fine. That is often to benefit them, not you. Keep in mind, most of the time, the insurance company will not pay for the new gasket unless it was damaged by what ever hit the windshield. They are not obligated to replace it just because it is old and worn out. That is considered normal wear and tear. Your policy doesn't cover that anymore than they would for worn out tires. If the gasket is old, I would replace it or be prepared for leaks. Rubber comes off a tree, just like your tires. We're all aware that we replace our tires every 5-6 years, just because the rubber is old. Rubber degrades over time. I'm now retired, but spent all my working years in the glass business. We installed motorhome windshield's every day. Use a glass business that does a lot of motorhomes. Many average automotive glass replacement shops don't have the proper experience when it comes to large, one piece motorhome windshields. Good Luck. I hope this helps.
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03-09-2019, 03:18 PM
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You've received some expert advice. We went through 3 windshields before we found someone to get it right. At least your new windshield is not cracked. Be prepared, I think the last gasket we bought was $280.
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03-09-2019, 04:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by distaff
Unfortunately the chassis used in the Patriot Thunder in 04 was probably a Magnum. Mine has an S-Series which is a much stiffer platform.
RV Glass are mainly interested in selling the glass, so they will help anyone with technical advice.
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The 2003-2005 Patriots are on the Roadmaster M-series chassis.
Not as good as the S-Series (2006-2009) but better than the old SMC Magnum chassis.
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03-09-2019, 08:55 PM
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As pointed out by Oilbuner on this thread, RV Glass Solutions and Coach Glass in Coburg, Oregon are well known for quality workmanship. I highly recommend them. RV Solution is on the retail end, installing glass to the public. While their Coach Glass is the wholesale part of their company. They are a major wholesale distributer of motor home windshields to retail glass shops across the country. They can recommend an installer in your area. Over the years, we purchased and install many windshields from Coach Glass wholesale distribution. Overall, I would say we had far less fit issue with their glass than others. They were always a pleasure to deal with. I've never had any first hand experience with their retail end, but would not hesitate calling them. I've heard nothing but praise about their customer service and professional installations.
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03-09-2019, 09:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryB
The 2003-2005 Patriots are on the Roadmaster M-series chassis.
Not as good as the S-Series (2006-2009) but better than the old SMC Magnum chassis.
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Not wanting to start an argument (at least over this) but I believe Monaco rebranded the SMC Magnum chassis as a Roadmaster M after they took over Beaver. I think it is a case of the OP has either a Magnum (i.e. Roadmaster M) or an S-Series. The Patriot Thunder never used the RR10S chassis.
I also understood that the S-Series predated the RR10S, which had an alluminium super structure and a raised rail design. I don't know if the S-Series was also a raised rail design, but I do suspect that it was cheaper to make and lighter than the S-Series, but at the cost of being more flexible.
For what it is worth, I don't think our windshield was glued in by RV Glass Solutions. I think it floats in the gasket.
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03-10-2019, 06:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by distaff
Not wanting to start an argument (at least over this) but I believe Monaco rebranded the SMC Magnum chassis as a Roadmaster M after they took over Beaver. I think it is a case of the OP has either a Magnum (i.e. Roadmaster M) or an S-Series. The Patriot Thunder never used the RR10S chassis.
I also understood that the S-Series predated the RR10S, which had an alluminium super structure and a raised rail design. I don't know if the S-Series was also a raised rail design, but I do suspect that it was cheaper to make and lighter than the S-Series, but at the cost of being more flexible.
For what it is worth, I don't think our windshield was glued in by RV Glass Solutions. I think it floats in the gasket.
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The SMC Magnum chassis used a steel cage/shell. When Monaco bought SMC in 2001 they continued to use the Magnum chassis through 2002 (on some models to use up stock). This is where the confusion comes from. There where Roadmaster-Magnum branded (different from Roadmaster M-Series).
The Roadmaster M-series is a fully welded aluminum cage/shell bolted to the frame. It was developed for the Beaver.
The S-series is a fully welded steel cage welded to frame. This was used on the Beaver starting in 2006. This is the top-of-line chassis.
The Series was expensive to produce so Roadmaster came out with the less-expensive RR series for the mid-tier lines.
All are raised-rail.
Here's some more info (of course it may not be 100% correct - so feel free to correct me) https://1drv.ms/f/s!AtvAXw_lfqbToxXYREK9YdBP08Jn
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03-10-2019, 10:42 AM
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Interesting link, and interesting info, although I don't think it is helping the OP with his problem.
I had never seen the decoder before. It does decode my '06 properly - S-Series, C-13, Motorhome over 33,001, Wheelbase 250 to 280 (haven't measured it), single front/tandem rear with only air brakes, '06 model made in Coburg.
A few years ago I had been curious if mine actually had an S-Series because I was having trouble finding the correct year manual for adjusting the air ride - mine came with an '05 manual which was incorrect in some material ways (for starters the manual didn't have the multiplex system). I had to do some research to confirm what it was, but the decoder would have done that for me.
What Monaco did is always a bit of a guess. My Data Card is also wrong about a bunch of stuff, but I expect with the DOT requirements the serial number and chassis information is probably correct.
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03-11-2019, 08:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by distaff
Interesting link, and interesting info, although I don't think it is helping the OP with his problem.
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This thread has gone off track!!!
On the windshield, when I had mine replaced (2005 Patriot) I also bought a new gasket. Note that there are three style gaskets available - if you want to have one ready ahead of time, you may want to call Beaver Coach Sales (BCS) and see what you need. Mine was type 2.
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03-11-2019, 09:45 AM
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Thanks everyone for the great advice...
I'll post back after round 2 is complete
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