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Old 03-23-2008, 04:26 AM   #1
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I have noticed that you can purchase a new Cheetah 42 foot tag axle with 400 HP Cat in the range of $280 to $295 but the new Camelot 43 foot tag with a 400 HP Cummins is $345 and up. No matter how you feel about the Cat versus the Cummins I can't see $50K for 1 more foot and a Cummins! What gives here? Does anyone know what is on a Camelot that makes it cost another $50K?

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I have noticed that you can purchase a new Cheetah 42 foot tag axle with 400 HP Cat in the range of $280 to $295 but the new Camelot 43 foot tag with a 400 HP Cummins is $345 and up. No matter how you feel about the Cat versus the Cummins I can't see $50K for 1 more foot and a Cummins! What gives here? Does anyone know what is on a Camelot that makes it cost another $50K?

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Old 03-23-2008, 05:05 AM   #3
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Bob, Just a quick comparison indicates the Cheetah may actually share the same frame as the Diplomat (33000#), with the exception of the tag on the 42' adding another 10,000#. The Camelot starts at 34'600# without tag. The price come closer in line when comparing to the Diplomat, but the DIP doesn't have a tag in their chassis choices so the Cheetah is set apart in this respect.

Safari seems to vary more on the amenities end than the rest of Monaco's divisions, so I'm sure you find some apples and oranges there too. They are still in somewhat of a niche of there own, for example they produce Monaco's only class A toy hauler. But, year by year they get a little closer to standard Monaco production specs. They sure have a lot less models in their line-up then they did a few years ago.

Nothing scientific here, I was just comparing specs, and personal observations.
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Old 03-23-2008, 06:23 AM   #4
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Just a little note about the Camelot. We almost got one about a month ago. nice unit. We liked the DSQ with the rear bath. After a lot of talk with a dealer we looked on line and started calling around and found out you could order one in the $250,000 range. Check it out before you buy.
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Same here on the Camelot -- I purchased a 07, 42ft. loaded, in the $250.000 range -- Shop - Shop - Shop -- Bill Willard
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Thanks Corkey, that makes sense. After seeing your post I went back and looked at pictures of the Cheetah and sure enough no side radiator.

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The new '09 Safari Cheetah 42PAQ tag was introduced at The Rally in Perry, GA. It appears positioned to directly compete with the Phaeton 42QRH as an entry level tag axle coach. The Cheetah 42PAQ one ups the Phaeton with a bigger powerplant, a CAT C9 400HP/1250ft-lbs torque vs. the Cummins ISC 360HP/1050ft-lbs torque in the Phaeton. It's built on the Roadmaster RR10R ten bag chassis. The Cheetah 42PAQ also features full hardwood cabinets standard, something not even available as an option on the Phaeton 42QRH.

It has one of the best rear bath and a half layouts I've seen. Flat floor rear bath entry to the vanity and shower areas. There is a sizable engine hump in the center to access the rear closet.

The pricing of the '09 Cheetah 42PAQ is virtually identical to the '08 Phaeton 42QRH and starts at $265K MSRP. IMO, a better value than the Phaeton 42QRH!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Explore America:
The new '09 Safari Cheetah 42PAQ tag was introduced at The Rally in Perry, GA. It appears positioned to directly compete with the Phaeton 42QRH as an entry level tag axle coach. The Cheetah 42PAQ one ups the Phaeton with a bigger powerplant, a CAT C9 400HP/1250ft-lbs torque vs. the Cummins ISC 360HP/1050ft-lbs torque in the Phaeton. It's built on the Roadmaster RR10R ten bag chassis. The Cheetah 42PAQ also features full hardwood cabinets standard, something not even available as an option on the Phaeton 42QRH.

It has one of the best rear bath and a half layouts I've seen. Flat floor rear bath entry to the vanity and shower areas. There is a sizable engine hump in the center to access the rear closet.

The pricing of the '09 Cheetah 42PAQ is virtually identical to the '08 Phaeton 42QRH and starts at $265K MSRP. IMO, a better value than the Phaeton 42QRH! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for that information Explore America, the wife and I find that interesting.

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A quick FYI on the GVWR on the 40 ft. 08 and 09 Camelots---it is 37600 not 34600 as shown in one of the posts. The Camelot brochure shows 34600 GVWR, but also shows 23000 for rear axle and 14600 for front axle (total 37600). Somebody at Monaco needs to stop using the new math. The reason I am darn sure of the 37600 is that I am taking delivery of a 2009 on 4-7-08 and I had this discussion with DeMartini sales person and he assured me that the 37600 was correct for both the 08's and 09's. Also my build sheet from the factory shows 37600. Nuff said.

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Duffy's Dad,
Good catch, I'm the one who posted the 34,600 figure. Got it directly from the specs listed on their web site and it's shown again in their brochure. I guess the tech writer figured 2+2=3, go figure.

Your observation indicates an even further spread between the Cheetah and the Camelot, as asked by the OP.
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