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Old 05-14-2018, 08:24 AM   #15
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needs either the cylinder replaces, or has a fitting leaking inside the mechanism.
most likely leaking at the rod seal.

cylinder will have to be removed in either case. extend the room fully before removing the cylinder. that makes bleeding the replacement easier.
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needs either the cylinder replaces, or has a fitting leaking inside the mechanism.
most likely leaking at the rod seal.

cylinder will have to be removed in either case. extend the room fully before removing the cylinder. that makes bleeding the replacement easier.

Thanks. I would have no idea on how to remove or bleed the cylinder. Sounds like a trip through your Iowa facility is needed. I note: I do not think it leaked (but worked fine) until I put two qts of HWH fluid in the reservoir to bring it up to the dip stick level. Thanks for the info.
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Old 05-14-2018, 05:58 PM   #17
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Then a week ago I started engine and the drivers side rear airbags filled but the passenger side did not fill. This twisted my frame enough to crack the windshield. I tried manual and auto-leveling and could not get the passenger side to fill. So, to get air to the passenger bags, I bypassed the HWH 6-pack and ran the air line straight from height control valve to passenger air bags. This got the coach level again. I was able to take a short trip we had planned.
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I removed the HWH valve body for rear bags. That's a tough job (had to drop drive shaft to get enough clearance to fit in that small space.

I found three of the six coils are bad. The Right (passenger side) Travel, Right Raise, and Left Raise coils have no continuity.
The other three coils are reading 15.2 ohms.

That explains the passengers side rear not airing up.
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Hopefully this thread won't be hijacked again...

I wish someone could source the air solenoid coils. I had two of them dead but HWH won't sell just the coil.

It would also be nice if we could source the seat on the inside of the solenoid.


I would carry a few extra working solenoid switches if I could, just don't want to pay $125 each at HWH.

Good job on removing the six pack. Removing the shorty driveshaft was not fun I bet unless the caps came out easily.

Keep us posted please.
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Old 05-15-2018, 03:51 AM   #19
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I'm not sure what HWH charges for the coils. I have a request in to them for a quote. Northwest RV Supply has them for $109 (says "complete" so that may include the brass too).

For the drive shaft, I bought a u-joint press/puller. This one https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 There was no way the bearing caps were coming out without this tool (and even then it was hard. Took a lot of force with my 1/2 air gun to get the caps out).

So now I'm waiting on a price from HWH. Meanwhile I'll look around and see if anyone has the coils cheaper.

I still plan to pull the Tag Axle HWH valve pack and check it out - since I'm in the area.
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Old 05-15-2018, 08:16 AM   #20
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you may find one on the internet cheaper, i did some research, and i haven't found any place that sells the individual parts separately. it appears either its the whole assembly or none.
hwh does give a one year parts warranty, which sometimes is not provided by reselling companies. hwh retail price is about 125.00 plus tax and shipping.
i am NOT offering this part for sale. i'm just saying i've found this is the average price. there are some used ones on line as well.
i do not sell parts or solicit service work on this forum.
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Old 05-15-2018, 08:24 AM   #21
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HWH is selling the coils/valves (RAP1940) for $114.45 plus shipping. I didn't know about the HWH warranty - so that might make it worth spending the few extra dollars to go with HWH for the parts.

BTW, I e-mailed "service@hwh.com" for instructions/authorization to send in my Control Box and control/dash Panel for testing, but got no response yet.

I also went on-line and filled out a Service Request form - but also have not heard back. It's been about two days - so maybe I just need to have more patience (or call HWH and speak to a live person).

Did I get the e-mail address correct for hwh service?
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Old 05-25-2018, 06:00 AM   #22
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the Warning light is coming on again and I'm dropping out of Travel mode again. So now I'm not sure if the Control Box is bad or if the problem is just with the rear HWH 6-pack.

My best bet is probably to send the Control Box in to HWH to have it checked out, and while its out, remove the rear 6-pack and test all the solenoids and air pressure switches, and replace all the o-rings.
I'm posting today to update this old thread in case anyone in the future runs into a similar problem and finds this thread.

Problem is fixed. The problem was with the rear HWH 6-pack valve bank. I had three bad coils.

The coils should ohm to about 15.5 ohms (which can be easily checked by just unplugging the coil from the wire harness and inserting your multimeter test probes into the connector going to the coil. Three of my coils had "OL" (infinity reading) indicating that the coil winding was "open". The other three were reading 15.2 to 15.5 ohms.

I decided to remove the entire 6-pack manifold and replace the o-rings on all the valves. There's a good write on this here HWH Leveling Six Pack Solenoid Replace

The hardest part of the job is getting to the manifold. It's located over the transmission at the rear yoke area (on my '05 Beaver). So the driveshaft has to be disconnected and swung out of the way. I purchased a driveshaft bearing puller to remove the u-joints (there was no way this was coming apart without this tool). https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Even with that removed, there is still the tag axle housing and track bar in the way. It was a tight squeeze but I was able to get in the space and remove the valve. I also removed the Tag Axle 6-pack valve at this time to replace those O-rings.

If you are doing this job, I would tell you to expect there to be a lot of grease in the area on on the valve. Your not going to be able to read the little tags on the coil wires that tell you what plugs into what. I cleaned the connectors and then marked each one with a paint pen with a matching number on each side of the connector. So when it comes time to reconnect the wires I just need to plug "1" into "1", and "2" into "2" and so on.

The air hoses are 1/4" and 3/8" nylon. They are attached to the manifold with "push-to-connect" fittings. I have never been able to unconnect one of these p-t-c fittings. Expect to have to cut the hose at the fitting. A razor box-cutter tool will cleanly slice off the tube. So you will need to buy new fittings. I went with the Parker air-brake compression fittings. These will insure a good tight connection but you can also get the p-t-c fittings if you prefer. There is plenty of slack in the tubing so don't worry about that 1/4" you are cutting off in the old fitting. Just be sure to mark each tube so you know where it belongs. I used a "label maker" and then printed out a label for each hose and wrapped the label/tape around each hose.

After getting the 6-pack manifold valves off, cleaned up and on the workbench, replacing the bad coils (which are sold with the brass valve for about $110 each) and replacing the o-rings on the rest, was pretty straight forward.

Last night I reinstall the Rear and Tag valve bodies, reinstalled the drive shaft and finished up the rear. This weekend I'll pull the front 6-pack and replace those o-rings. Then hopefully I won't need to worry about the Leveling System for another ten years.
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Thx for the follow up, makes for good read. Appreciate your contribution.
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