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06-21-2015, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by deSanford
When you expand the size of the room you need more "air" to fill the void. Likewise when bringing in the slides the excess air needs a place to go. Sanford
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you are kidding right
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06-21-2015, 07:58 PM
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Now I've heard it all
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06-22-2015, 05:15 AM
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I don't know about the rest of you but on our 03 Monaco Windsor, there is plenty of places for the air to escape when we retract our slides....like in the slides themselves. If you look there are big air gaps when retracting and opening. Even when they are fully retracted there are plenty of places for air to escape.
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06-22-2015, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mccrob
Now I've heard it all
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I spent over 3 months without my coach working with Monaco and at the Fleetwood Service Center in Decatur. Slide taken out, all hydraulic lines replaced, TV replaced, Tag dump valve replaced, ride height recalibrated and much more. All under warranty with superior customer service. All the Techs at Monaco and Fleedwood recommended the procedure I follow and I follow their advice. Maybe the newer coached are a little tighter than the older units, I don't know but I can feel the large air volume movement when opening or closing my slides.
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06-22-2015, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Gdawgs
I don't know but I can feel the large air volume movement when opening or closing my slides.
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The very fact that you can feel a large air movement when you open or close the slides is evidence of the fact that air is moving in or out of the coach. If it really was sealed to the point where opening a window mattered, you would essentially feel no air "flow" since all there would be is compression or expansion.
I'm not denying that someone at Monaco might have made the statement that opening a window would help, but all I can say is that that person doesn't understand much about fluid flow. You're dealing with a vehicle with multiple penetrations (windows, doors, A/C's, etc) none of which were designed to be airtight. Realistically, these openings are weathertight but no one ever claimed they were airtight. Furthermore, the primary seals on the slides are designed to keep rain and drafts out, not to act as vacuum seals.
If it makes you happy to open a window when moving your slide, then, by all means do it. But will anything adverse really happen if you don't? I seriously doubt it.
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06-22-2015, 07:01 AM
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Since we have a FULL WALL slide we extend the smaller ones first on the passenger side to help balance the driver's full wall slide. When retracting we do the opposite. Due to the fact we have a length challenged coach we find that the slides seem to move easier with more then the weep holes below the windows for air flow. Sanford
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06-22-2015, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Gdawgs
I spent over 3 months without my coach working with Monaco and at the Fleetwood Service Center in Decatur. Slide taken out, all hydraulic lines replaced, TV replaced, Tag dump valve replaced, ride height recalibrated and much more. All under warranty with superior customer service. All the Techs at Monaco and Fleedwood recommended the procedure I follow and I follow their advice. Maybe the newer coached are a little tighter than the older units, I don't know but I can feel the large air volume movement when opening or closing my slides.
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Have ta agree with GDawgs, between the huge full wall slide on his coach and the deep dinette slide you can see these slides work smoother when a window or the front door is left open.
Do know that if you leave a fantastic fan vent cover open when the slide operates, you sure do get the fan moving in a hurry.
These slides are a lot deeper than many of the older coaches also.
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06-22-2015, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by docj
The very fact that you can feel a large air movement when you open or close the slides is evidence of the fact that air is moving in or out of the coach. If it really was sealed to the point where opening a window mattered, you would essentially feel no air "flow" since all there would be is compression or expansion.
I'm not denying that someone at Monaco might have made the statement that opening a window would help, but all I can say is that that person doesn't understand much about fluid flow. You're dealing with a vehicle with multiple penetrations (windows, doors, A/C's, etc) none of which were designed to be airtight. Realistically, these openings are weathertight but no one ever claimed they were airtight. Furthermore, the primary seals on the slides are designed to keep rain and drafts out, not to act as vacuum seals.
If it makes you happy to open a window when moving your slide, then, by all means do it. But will anything adverse really happen if you don't? I seriously doubt it.
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Let me clarify what I was saying. If I stand in the open doorway and the wife opens or closes the slides, I feel a large volume of air movement. Earlier before I knew better, I'd forget to open anything, result was slide moved at half speed, had to much side to side movement and I could not feel any air movement.
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06-22-2015, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Moxy
you are kidding right
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My operator's manual states "Open a window or vent to equalize pressure during slide operation".
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06-24-2015, 03:06 PM
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My coach does not level with the bags. Or at least I don't think it does, It is a 4 bag chassis. I generally try to get level by using blocks as best I can. What am I missing? Thanks for the info.
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06-25-2015, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by J2Jake
What am I missing?
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You're missing an expensive air leveling option that is usually only on the higher end coaches. I don't have it either, I only have hydraulic jacks.
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I would think this discussion is mostly aimed towards those people who don't have air leveling. If you do have air leveling, isn't the air dump operation pretty much built into the leveling system? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the air leveling system started by lowering the high corner as much as possible, and finished by raising the low corner to match. It would seem to me that the starting height is not nearly as important as with hydraulic only leveling.
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06-25-2015, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ShapeShifter
You're missing an expensive air leveling option that is usually only on the higher end coaches. I don't have it either, I only have hydraulic jacks.
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I would think this discussion is mostly aimed towards those people who don't have air leveling. If you do have air leveling, isn't the air dump operation pretty much built into the leveling system? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the air leveling system started by lowering the high corner as much as possible, and finished by raising the low corner to match. It would seem to me that the starting height is not nearly as important as with hydraulic only leveling.
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It's true that an air leveling system levels to the lowest corner when in auto mode. However if you are on a fairly level surface then you will end up leveled at fairly close to ride height.
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06-25-2015, 12:51 PM
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If you dump before you auto level then the system sees the bags are low due to a 20psi switch in the manifold. It will then give you only the up side of the bag to level. If you start at ride height, as the system is designed, then you have full down on one end and full up on the other. IAW you have double the travel from one end of MH to the other.
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06-29-2015, 11:13 AM
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Agree completely about opening a door or window when moving the slides. The wall slide in particular moves quite a bit of air and the coach is insulated well enough that all that air has to go somewhere. Once had the door partially opened and there was enough suction when moving the slide to pull it completely shut.
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