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Old 09-23-2021, 08:26 PM   #1
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No power at ceiling light - upgrading to LEDs

Iím upgrading the old fluorescent tube ceiling lights & installing LED strips in the old housings. Iíve changed out a couple of them successfully and then ran into an issue with the ďhall lightĒ in our Dynasty.

Light was working - like all the others. Shut off the switches to the hall light & cut the wires from the switch on the light fixture. Now I donít have any voltage at the wires our of the switch.

When I push the wall switch I can hear the relay in the wardrobe closet clicking & the light in the wall switch comes on - but thereís no voltage from the switch in the light fixture. I checked the fuse & itís fine.

In the wardrobe relay cabinet I notice thereís a small LED next to other fuses when the lights are switched on. There is no small LED on next to the hall light relay.

Any ideas whatís up here?

Thanks
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Old 09-23-2021, 10:28 PM   #2
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Iím upgrading the old fluorescent tube ceiling lights & installing LED strips in the old housings. Iíve changed out a couple of them successfully and then ran into an issue with the ďhall lightĒ in our Dynasty.

Light was working - like all the others. Shut off the switches to the hall light & cut the wires from the switch on the light fixture. Now I donít have any voltage at the wires our of the switch.

When I push the wall switch I can hear the relay in the wardrobe closet clicking & the light in the wall switch comes on - but thereís no voltage from the switch in the light fixture. I checked the fuse & itís fine.

In the wardrobe relay cabinet I notice thereís a small LED next to other fuses when the lights are switched on. There is no small LED on next to the hall light relay.

Any ideas whatís up here?

Thanks
You donít mention what year dynasty but sounds like you have the intellitec system.

You need to reboot the system. Try turning power off at house batteries. Let it sit, then turn back on.
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Old 09-23-2021, 11:06 PM   #3
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Have you changed the fuse for the hall lights? It sounds to me that you are describing led pilots to indicate fuse integrity. In other words all the fuses with LEDs next to them that are lighted the fuse is good, no LED blown fuse. They even make fuses that have the LED built into them for the same purpose.
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Old 09-24-2021, 12:33 AM   #4
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One thing to check is you Intellitec main control module. We had an issue with our complete Intellitec system going down this past summer and hunted high and low trying to find a bad fuse or anything. No such luck. Until I posted my problem here and one of the other Monaco owner's told me the main control panel is hidden inside of the 120 volt breaker box. Opened it up, checked the fuse in it and it was blown, replaced the 5 amp fuse and all was good again. Good luck.
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Thanks for the reply WindsorBill, RealNiceTent & mdpuff!

Sorry I failed to include the year - itís a 2006.

Iíll double check the fuse & check the main panel fuse as well. The main panel fuse would seem odd - given everything else is humming along nicely. But, after reading numerous posts here, stranger things have happened!
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An update: Checked the fuse & itís fine. Shut the house power off & then back on - no change. Also checked for power at both legs of the fuse - I have no power to the fuse.

All the other fuses in this module have power & are working correctly.

Iím not about to spend $300+ on this module just to have a hall light. Are these repairable?

Thanks again!
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Iím upgrading the old fluorescent tube ceiling lights & installing LED strips in the old housings. Iíve changed out a couple of them successfully and then ran into an issue with the ďhall lightĒ in our Dynasty.

Light was working - like all the others. Shut off the switches to the hall light & cut the wires from the switch on the light fixture. Now I donít have any voltage at the wires our of the switch.

When I push the wall switch I can hear the relay in the wardrobe closet clicking & the light in the wall switch comes on - but thereís no voltage from the switch in the light fixture. I checked the fuse & itís fine.

In the wardrobe relay cabinet I notice thereís a small LED next to other fuses when the lights are switched on. There is no small LED on next to the hall light relay.

Any ideas whatís up here?

Thanks

I went back and reread the original post and the two lines I changed to red caught my eye. I hope this is,but also isn't the answer, Is the switch IN the light turned on?
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RealNiceTent: Great question! Absolutely not - all power was off to the light- both the wall switch & the switch at the light.
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Old 09-24-2021, 04:24 PM   #9
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Just a thought

I have just finished replacing 24 fluorescent tubes in my fixtures with 24 LED tubes. That involves removing all wires to the old transformer/ballast in each fixture and rewiring power directly to the "tombstones" the sockets for the tubes.
If there was power to the fixture and it worked, and all you did was cut the wires then it makes sense there is still power there unless you blew a fuse. Be sure to check for power with a test light or a meter from the actual incoming power wire (in my coach, black) to the actual ground (in my coach white) not to the metal of the fixture.
Be aware that if a wire goes to a tombstone there will not be any power past that point unless there is a tube in place.
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An update: Checked the fuse & itís fine. Shut the house power off & then back on - no change. Also checked for power at both legs of the fuse - I have no power to the fuse.

All the other fuses in this module have power & are working correctly.

Iím not about to spend $300+ on this module just to have a hall light. Are these repairable?

Thanks again!

Don't know how I missed this before my last post. How hard is it going to be to trace the power side of the wiring to the fuse to it's source? The older Monacos that I worked on had all the wires numbered, made it a little easier.
As far as repairing the module, I'm of the "anything is repairable" genre, but then again my NAVY "A" schools were geared toward being on a submarine and having a limited amount of parts available too. When it comes to circuit boards most of them can be repaired as long as they are not de-laminating or burnt too badly,(clear nail polish can work wonders). I used to have to run all the solder joints in the flasher boards in certain lightbars on the cop cars, the vibration would fracture the solder joints. The manufacturer would charge me over a hundred bucks and take 6 weeks to do it. I suspect it is what happens to the control boards in the NorColds like mine.
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Did the new led light ever work? Some are polarity sensitive.

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One of our IRV2 members, PWhittle can also help with your Intellitec multiplex issues.
The modules can be reprogrammed.
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