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Old 09-25-2020, 07:56 PM   #1
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Norcold Fridge Replacement - Simple Q's

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My Norcold 4 door (1200 LRIM?) still works but it leaks a bit of water on the floor pretty much all the time now. Also, I can't buy anything frozen and keep it for any length of time. We all know the story, replace it with an RF18, right?

So...I'm looking at the broad strokes and this is what I'm coming up with....

Remove existing Norcold through front door, reassemble outside, and then level it and plug it in under the canopy.

That way I still have a fridge (albeit, outside) and can then work on the cabinet.
Haha..at my leisure. Once I lower the floor a few inches to just above the furnace, I should have my measurements and can order in the new fridge (assuming Samsung RF18).

Does that make sense for a plan of attack? I'm full-timing in the unit so I'm trying to come up with a smooth process to minimize the impact. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated!
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I think I would get the replacement fridge first.

Put it outside so you will have the exact measuments. Maybe even run it to be sure it's going to work.

But that's just me. I like to have my hands on something if I want to make an opening to fit.

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That makes sense. My only concern was fitment. I don't know, for certain, that the RF18 would fit. It seems to for everyone else. Maybe it's a case of 'no guts, no glory'
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To get your Norcold out the door, you may need to not only remove the doors, but also the cooling unit.
You really want to put all that back together ?
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That makes sense. My only concern was fitment. I don't know, for certain, that the RF18 would fit. It seems to for everyone else. Maybe it's a case of 'no guts, no glory'
The RF18 is tall and may not fit in the 2000 Diplomat without removing the furnace. Van Williams put one in a 2000 Dynasty which I think has about the same ceiling height but he has a Suburban furnace that can have zero clearance between the bottom of the fridge and the top of the furnace. To make this work he had to lower the furnace to the floor and make a plate to cover the elongated hole on the outside. There have been a few installations of the RF18 in coaches with the ceiling height you have and retained the Atwood furnace. It required making a special frame to support the fridge and completely removing the floor between the furnace and the bottom of the fridge. I would not start this project until you have made sure you can obtain a fridge that will fit in the space you have. Usually the height is the problem. If you are not committed to the french door for clearance reason in the hallway, etc, then look at some of the counter depth two door fridges. If you have room to open the door without hitting the opposite wall, etc, then that would be your best bet.

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I had purchased a Samsung RF18 to use in the new house as I was building it in anticipation of having to replace my Norcold. The Norcold eventually did fail and by that time I was in the middle of the house build so not in a hurry to replace. Actually used a small dorm fridge we had to get by.

I also had the furnace under my fridge, they had actually mounted on a small platform so they could route the propane line under it for the fridge. In order to get the new fridge to fit I had to lower the furnace to the floor, this gained me 1-5/8" of clearance. Without that clearance the Samsung would not have fit. Here is a link to my install
https://www.irv2.com/forums/f115/sam...ne-461001.html
I got great advice from both Bob Nodine and Vanwill. I did not put a full floor in the cabinet to support the frigde but instead used conduit strut to build 2 separate supports under the rollers.

If you have an Atwood furnace that requires clearance from the floor you may not be able to install the Samsung. That would be the first thing I would check, the dimensions of the furnaces may be different to offset the 1 5/8".

Since I bought my Samsung in 2018 there have been a couple offerings by other manufacturers that are shorter then the Samsung, I'd do some checking.
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I installed the RF18 pretty easily, however I don't have the furnace under the fridge. The new fridge would not fit through the door, we ended up coming through the emergency exit window directly behind the driver's seat. AS far as the cabinet, width and depth were fine. The RF18 is about 4" taller.

The RF18 works fine with the MSW inverter. Keep in mind, if you go with another brand, it may not like a MSW and you'll have to change to a PSW or add a small PSW inverter dedicated to the fridge only.
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We fit the Samsung RF18 in through the front door. We removed the refrigerator doors and freezer drawer from the fridge and turned it sideways.
I also removed the stairwell grab handle, passenger seat, door retainer, and tied the coach front door back against the mirror.

Bob and Jim gave great advice on what you can fit. The Norcold 1200 width and depth are similar to most counter depth refrigerators. The challenge is the height.

The Norcold 1200 is 63.5" tall and the cabinet cutout is 65". The Samsung RF18 is 70 1/2" tall. So you need another 5 1/2" in height. You can get some of that near the ceiling but not all as these older coaches have lower ceilings. That makes the furnace underneath the key. If it can be lowered you're fine. Some folks have used a steel or aluminum floor over the furnace to gain that last 1/2".

Also, a residential refrigerator must be sealed against the outside temperature extremes .
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We fit the Samsung RF18 in through the front door. We removed the refrigerator doors and freezer drawer from the fridge and turned it sideways.
I also removed the stairwell grab handle, passenger seat, door retainer, and tied the coach front door back against the mirror.
So, I take it that means your Norcold went out the door?
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Great advice everyone - many thanks.

I do have a furnace under the fridge, it is an Atwood, and it looks like the floor that the fridge sits on can be lowered 3"

Because of the unknown space constraints this is why I was originally thinking the way forward would be to remove the Norcold, take the doors off, and then get it outside under the canopy. So...I would prefer not to take the cooling unit off the fridge as I would like to use it outside as a temporary fridge while I figure out the space constraints.

Either way, it sounds like it will be a bear of a job. After reading up on the RF18 I think I would probably chose a different fridge. Probably the GE GWE19JSLSS. As I understand it, the dimensions are the same though....
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If you 1200 has enough capacity for you needs then I would just replace the cooling unit with one of the compressor-type from JC Refrigeration!
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Fisher Paykel makes one a bit shorter than the samsung. Much better fridge as well. 67 1/2 in height, counter depth.
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If you 1200 has enough capacity for you needs then I would just replace the cooling unit with one of the compressor-type from JC Refrigeration!
I seriously considered that option. But...it's looking like my door seals are probably leaking a bit. It's probably going to be better to just bite the bullet and do a real number on it - even though I don't really want to....

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Fisher Paykel makes one a bit shorter than the samsung. Much better fridge as well. 67 1/2 in height, counter depth.
I looked into that one as well. The problem is, we only have one dealer around here that sells it, they are two towns over, and they want something like $4k for it At that price point I could actually get the giant Samsung with the tablet built into it and trade stock on the door of the fridge in an effort to get my $4K back
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So, I take it that means your Norcold went out the door?
Yes. We removed the doors on the Norcold and it also went out the front door.
The Norcold model 1200 weighs over 200# so it's a job even with the doors off.

Setting a Norcold up outside the motor home is tough as it needs both 110V AC and 12V DC.
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