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Old 09-23-2014, 01:56 PM   #1
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Samsung 197 replacement

I am having trouble locating the RF197ACPN refrigerator. Home Depot tells me that it has been replaced with RF18HFENBSP available after Oct.11th.

All of the post about the conversions are about home use units. I hear about bungie cords and velcro to keep the doors from swinging open in transit and expandable rods to keep the products in place. My loving wife is in our refrigerator regularly to keep me supplied with my Diet Pepsi and other snacks. She would prefer that I not leave the captains seat at cruising speeds.

Does anyone make an all electric refrigerator designed for RV's? What do the manufacturers use in the newer units. With the demand increasing for such units, it seems that someone may have a suitable replacement

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Old 09-23-2014, 02:19 PM   #2
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I don't know if I can answer your question, but I was looking for a small refer for a tight space with low energy consumption. Originally I wanted a Samsung. But then I found this small unit at Lowe's and bought it for my mountain cabin. So far, so good.

Shop Whirlpool 19.7-cu ft French Door Refrigerator with Single Ice Maker (Stainless Steel) at Lowes.com

I hope this helps.
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Old 09-23-2014, 04:13 PM   #3
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Samsung did discontinue the RF197. A friend just located an SS one three weeks ago and grabbed it up. You make have to hunt nationwide.

The new coaches aren't restricted to the Norcold dimensions, so they are outfitting them with larger refers. Mine is a 21 cubic foot Maytag with water and ice in the door.
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Old 09-23-2014, 06:10 PM   #4
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I am having trouble locating the RF197ACPN refrigerator. Home Depot tells me that it has been replaced with RF18HFENBSP available after Oct.11th.

All of the post about the conversions are about home use units. I hear about bungie cords and velcro to keep the doors from swinging open in transit and expandable rods to keep the products in place. My loving wife is in our refrigerator regularly to keep me supplied with my Diet Pepsi and other snacks. She would prefer that I not leave the captains seat at cruising speeds.

Does anyone make an all electric refrigerator designed for RV's? What do the manufacturers use in the newer units. With the demand increasing for such units, it seems that someone may have a suitable replacement

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Some folks are using these but they cost as much as new Norcold:
RF170ADX4 | Fisher & Paykel ActiveSmart(TM) Fridge - 17 cu. ft. Counter Depth French Door EZKleen Stainless Steel | Warehouse Discount Center

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This place doesn't say it's backordered, $1,340.00 with free shipping.
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I am not aware of anyone making an all electric RV unit. I know, it would be nice to have one that has integrated door locks like the Norcold. And the shelves that sort of keep things from falling off the front (although we did use the bars in our Norcold to keep things under control). There were rumors a year or so ago about Norcold working on an electric model for RVs, but nothing more has been said since then.

Some use child locks on their Samsungs to keep the doors closed which can be disconnected just about as fast as pulling on the Norcold handles. You are obviously not frustrated enough with your Norcold to make the change. And that's alright. Just enjoy what you have until you are ready. To those of us frustrated enough to make the change, velcro fasteners are just not that big a thing.
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I use a velcro strap on the top doors and a cabinet door latch on the bottom - works good.
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I got this hint from IRV2...instead of using expanding rods to keep things from moving..........keep your old Norcold drawers (crisper, meat, etc). Put your items in there and in the fridge while traveling, unload bins and store when you're camping longer term.

It also helps us schlock things from our home fridge to the RV and back.
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Old 09-24-2014, 03:31 PM   #9
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Today my wife and I went to Tom Johnson's RV's in Concord NC. to check out a residential style refrigerator in a new unit. The sales person seemed a little leary of the move to all electric refrigerators. He is concerned with the compressor holding up in a vehicle that moves and bounces around. (I guess he is not familiar with our smooth riding Dynasty's) We left there and talked to the service mrg. at a facility that builds custom interiors and performs RV modifications and he had the same concern. The service mrg. did admit that his concern developed several years ago and maybe the commpressors are more compatible now.

Does anyone know of any problems with compressors with a residential unit in a RV.? What is the longest duration that someone has had with one of these units in service?

Incidentally, my concern in an earlier post about the velcro and bungee cords to keep the doors closed and things from moving around the refrigerator would apply with the new RV's equipped with factory installed all electric units. No latches on the doors and slick glass shelves without lips on the front to keep things at bay. I guess no one is making a true RV. all electric refrigerator.

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Today my wife and I went to Tom Johnson's RV's in Concord NC. to check out a residential style refrigerator in a new unit. The sales person seemed a little leary of the move to all electric refrigerators. He is concerned with the compressor holding up in a vehicle that moves and bounces around. (I guess he is not familiar with our smooth riding Dynasty's) We left there and talked to the service mrg. at a facility that builds custom interiors and performs RV modifications and he had the same concern. The service mrg. did admit that his concern developed several years ago and maybe the commpressors are more compatible now.

Does anyone know of any problems with compressors with a residential unit in a RV.? What is the longest duration that someone has had with one of these units in service?

Incidentally, my concern in an earlier post about the velcro and bungee cords to keep the doors closed and things from moving around the refrigerator would apply with the new RV's equipped with factory installed all electric units. No latches on the doors and slick glass shelves without lips on the front to keep things at bay. I guess no one is making a true RV. all electric refrigerator.

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We are now just over 3 years with the Samsung RF197 and it has worked perfectly without any issues.

The only thing we did not like was the fact that sometimes the ice cream would be as hard as a brick. Turns out if you have the ice maker on the freezer goes into a hard freeze mode. We only turn the ice maker on when we need to make ice now.

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I took a factory tour at the Monaco diesel pusher plant in Coburg several years ago, while they were still turning out the entire line of coaches. At that time, 75% of new coaches were getting residential fridges. I haven't seen any posts on the Monaco forums about these fridges failing.

BTW, we had a Samsung 197 installed last December. It does not go into Power Freeze mode when the ice maker is on. Our ice maker is on most of the time, and the freezer sits at 0 degrees, right where we have it set. On the other hand, the warning beeper telling us when the doors are left open has never worked, so maybe there are different features in different vintages of this unit.
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We are now just over 3 years with the Samsung RF197 and it has worked perfectly without any issues.

The only thing we did not like was the fact that sometimes the ice cream would be as hard as a brick. Turns out if you have the ice maker on the freezer goes into a hard freeze mode. We only turn the ice maker on when we need to make ice now.

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My wife and I are be leaving tomorrow (Monday 9/29) for Branson MO. I think we will be traveling through Knoxville. Any chance of seeing your modification? Don't want to impose or cause any problems but would like to come face to face with one of these mods. I can be reached by e-mail RMJ_SPJ@COMPORIUM.NET if interested. I plan to leave mid morning.

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Very interesting site. The detailed specifications show that there is one thing that is really different about the Samsung RF18xxxx models, and that is the introduction of a thing called a Digital Inverter Compressor. Apparently this technology uses something like a switching power supply to provide variable power to the compressor that allows it to run at different load capacities depending on the amount of cooling needed.

The only article that I can find that sort of explains this technology is here. It will be interesting to see if this technology is compatible with RV modified sine wave inverters. (As others have noted, the RF197xxxx standard compressors were compatible with MSW inverters.) Samsung must be impressed with this technology because they give you a 10 year parts warranty on the compressor.

Anyway, this looks like a significant change in compressor technology which Samsung believes is more energy efficient than their current compressor. It will be interesting to see how these work in RVs.
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When we travel without the generator running, we turn on the inverter (MSW 2k watt. we turn off the ice maker, not wanting to use the water from our tank. This does cause the ice cream to be less 'hard' than normal (with ice maker on) so there is some difference between having the ice maker on and off as far as the freezer is concerned. Incidentally, we turned the temps up to 40F in fridge due to ice on lettuce and 8F in freezer due to ice cream so cold it was work just to dip some into a bowl. Life is good w/o Norcold!
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