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Old 09-15-2013, 02:34 PM   #1
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Television install ideas

I wanted to share my install of my television in my Monaco. Here's what I did. Piano hinge attached to a sanded piece of birch plywood. Mounted the tv to board with omnimount bracket. Hydraulic pistons to lift the tv up when unlatched. Any questions ask away.
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:49 PM   #2
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Nice job Larry. I like the idea. What year is your Camelot? Can't tell if that is the old big box or later short box. Looks like an 05 or later. Thanks for sharing.
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I like it , Great job.
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Yes, nice work... What size is the TV?
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Very cool! How does it lock down in place. Did you use one of the regular cabinet locks?
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My Camelot is a 2003. I don't know how much shorter they went on the box. Original tv was a dinosaur tube. I haven't figured out what I am going to do with all the space in the cabinet now.
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As far as the size of the tv I have now, it's a 32" Toshiba. I wanted the Samsung, but the Toshiba LED was a lot thinner than the Samsung I was looking at. I also added a mobile/automotive use blueray player by Audiovox that is the size of a single din car stereo and has an HDMI output. Soundwise, I installed a Boston Acoustics powered subwoofer with 2 small Boston Acoustic satellite speakers in the front. The small roof mounter 4" speakers in the middle of the coach were replaced with Polk Audio home theater speakers which mount flush to the ceiling to keep the ohm rating the same. Also added Apple TV. The tv is latched closed with 2 barrel latches behind the tv so you can't see them.If anyone has any questions or would like more pictures, just ask.
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Ahhhh, so the hinges and pistons are to allow access to the cabinet space? Good idea!
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My Camelot is a 2003. I don't know how much shorter they went on the box. Original tv was a dinosaur tube. I haven't figured out what I am going to do with all the space in the cabinet now.
Nice job! I just did a very similar mod using birch plywood. The Samsung I used is 3.5" thick. I put my struts from the bottom, I like how yours are out of the way. I plan to use the room to put the controller and SWM for the HD Travler, maybe a Bluray player. In order to get mine to go full open I had to set the hinge down 4" from the ceiling, so I had to mill and finish a piece of cherry to match. BTW don't use the foaming Gorilla glue for exposed seams. I did discover pens that dispense stain to match what you have. Minwax.

If you use the SWM to route satellite, you can use the existing coax to send it to the back TV, with a receiver, and the back can watch what it wants. I haven't figured out how to send cable and OTA signal to it yet. We don't use our back TV much so we will use a single receiver for the front in order to retain OTA and cable options.

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Very cool! How does it lock down in place. Did you use one of the regular cabinet locks?
If you do it right the struts go over center and hold it closed. I used 28lb struts and get a closing force of 2-3 lbs. That said, I had planned to add the push to lock cabinet catches of 5lbs so it does't open over bumps.
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Nice work! Just changed out both of mine.
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Nice job ... some good ideas, a few questions

Lars99..... Nice job and thanks for some good ideas that I have been grappling with. The coach i bought about a year ago had a real ham-handed TV conversion done by a "professional" over in Texas.... I discovered the TV was pretty nice (open boxed items at BestBuy) but the mount was terrible. For a long time, I though that the flat panel TV was held in the wood box above the driver's head with only velcro, until I finally simply grabbed it and pulled it off assuming it would land in my arms to discover it was on a swivel mount and the velcro was holding it cockeyed against the wood frame of the box. So it had to go.... just terrible!!
I was thinking of a side swing front panel so I could easily get behind the panel. I am a ham radio operator (W5FI) and plan to install a big HF transceiver and VHF radio behind the front panel in the box along with a shelf or two and a couple of muffin fans for cooling. I was stuck on what really heavy duty hinges to use to carry the weight of the TV and plywood on a side mount. Your idea of a top piano hinge seems brilliant to me, and would resolve the problem! Here are my questions...
1.) I have looked at piano hinges now on the web and see two thicknesses and about 4 typical materials. .04 and .06" thicknesses and stainless steel, steel, aluminum, chromed steel. However I dont see anything about load ratings, or screw hole separation. Also, there are various sizes of each of the "arms" of the piano hinge. I am wondering what you used and if you found data on load bearing of hinges. My TV is 42# plus the plywood (probably about a 3 year old plasma HD TV).
2.) I had never considered the pneumatic plungers to hold the front panel up when you want to get behind the TV. I will probably use some sort of system that holds the TV at a 45 degree angle or horizontal near the ceiling. I am going to have to figure that one out....
3.) I am going to install two 110 VAC muffin fans over the wood louvers in the back of the cabinet to force a lot more air circulation. There will be a switch to turn them on and off. Did you worry about heat for your sterio system?
4.) Also, what types of locks did you use to keep the front plywood sheet locked securely to the box under normal conditions? You say that they can be accessed by reaching behind the TV. Could you suggest the types and manufacturer you used?
5.) Finally, my 2001 Dynasty Regent has cherry cabinetry. Do you remember what stain you had to use to get a good color match. Your cabinets looks pretty similar to mine.
Again, nice job and look forward to your answers.

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Lars99..... Nice job and thanks for some good ideas that I have been grappling with. The coach i bought about a year ago had a real ham-handed TV conversion done by a "professional" over in Texas.... I discovered the TV was pretty nice (open boxed items at BestBuy) but the mount was terrible. For a long time, I though that the flat panel TV was held in the wood box above the driver's head with only velcro, until I finally simply grabbed it and pulled it off assuming it would land in my arms to discover it was on a swivel mount and the velcro was holding it cockeyed against the wood frame of the box. So it had to go.... just terrible!!
I was thinking of a side swing front panel so I could easily get behind the panel. I am a ham radio operator (W5FI) and plan to install a big HF transceiver and VHF radio behind the front panel in the box along with a shelf or two and a couple of muffin fans for cooling. I was stuck on what really heavy duty hinges to use to carry the weight of the TV and plywood on a side mount. Your idea of a top piano hinge seems brilliant to me, and would resolve the problem! Here are my questions...
1.) I have looked at piano hinges now on the web and see two thicknesses and about 4 typical materials. .04 and .06" thicknesses and stainless steel, steel, aluminum, chromed steel. However I dont see anything about load ratings, or screw hole separation. Also, there are various sizes of each of the "arms" of the piano hinge. I am wondering what you used and if you found data on load bearing of hinges. My TV is 42# plus the plywood (probably about a 3 year old plasma HD TV).
2.) I had never considered the pneumatic plungers to hold the front panel up when you want to get behind the TV. I will probably use some sort of system that holds the TV at a 45 degree angle or horizontal near the ceiling. I am going to have to figure that one out....
3.) I am going to install two 110 VAC muffin fans over the wood louvers in the back of the cabinet to force a lot more air circulation. There will be a switch to turn them on and off. Did you worry about heat for your sterio system?
4.) Also, what types of locks did you use to keep the front plywood sheet locked securely to the box under normal conditions? You say that they can be accessed by reaching behind the TV. Could you suggest the types and manufacturer you used?
5.) Finally, my 2001 Dynasty Regent has cherry cabinetry. Do you remember what stain you had to use to get a good color match. Your cabinets looks pretty similar to mine.
Again, nice job and look forward to your answers.

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One of the issues I see you having is the combined weight of the 42" Plazma TV, mount and plywood on the piano hinge. Although this type of hinge will normally carry a lot of weight, you may end up springing the hinge, meaning, the weight will start to bear on the weakest part of the hinge being the screw holes. You will be better versed to use a the heavier gauge piano hinge. Don't use brass or aluminum.
Spacing is typically about 1" between screws.

When I redid my TV's in my 2000 Dynasty with Cherry interior and I used Watco Danish Oil - Cherry. Two coats did a nice job with a smooth finish. Take a sample in to your local construction material store and match it. They will usually have a board with a sample of the different stains done on different woods. Keep in mind that solid woods will stain differently than plywoods with veneers.
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Gary,
Dogpatch is correct on the hinge. I used a heavy gauge stainless hinge for my set up. Tour tv is a heavy tv to start with. You will be better off upgrading to a 32" LED tv which will cut your weight in half. I also minimized the size of the board, height wise, to limit weight. I added a surge protector to my existing power outlet to add outlets. I don't have any heat issues due to the fact that I'm not running a receiver. It's an amplified, powered, sub woofer that powers the satellite speakers front and rear. Putting fans in for your set up should not be a problem but consider that when you are using your ham equipment the tv will be swung open. You should have plenty of air flow. As far as the stain goes, I re used my existing trim that was around the old tube tv and modified the pieces to use around my tv. The only piece I had to stain was a small piece of trim to cover the hinge. I enclosed more pictures.
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Dogpatch is correct on the hinge. I used a heavy gauge stainless hinge for my set up. Tour tv is a heavy tv to start with. You will be better off upgrading to a 32" LED tv which will cut your weight in half. I also minimized the size of the board, height wise, to limit weight. I added a surge protector to my existing power outlet to add outlets. I don't have any heat issues due to the fact that I'm not running a receiver. It's an amplified, powered, sub woofer that powers the satellite speakers front and rear. Putting fans in for your set up should not be a problem but consider that when you are using your ham equipment the tv will be swung open. You should have plenty of air flow. As far as the stain goes, I re used my existing trim that was around the old tube tv and modified the pieces to use around my tv. The only piece I had to stain was a small piece of trim to cover the hinge. I enclosed more pictures.
Larry,

I see now by your additional pictures that you installed your piano hinge on the flat. Good plan, as that allows a lot more weight on the hinge and puts the strain on the hinge pin and not the screws as in a typical closed piano hinge install.
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