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Old 11-06-2015, 09:02 AM   #1
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Water and Methanol injection?

Anybody have experience with this? Looks interesting. Sanford
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COOL!!

Several years ago, one of the rv magazines (I think it was 'MotorHome') had a cover photo of a couple big class-a's doing what looked like burnouts. I kept that issue around for the longest time, trying to photoshop my Endeavor into the image, but it never looked 'just right'.

I assumed at the time that they did some 'creative' artwork to get the photos, but maybe they actually used something like the methanol-injection
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Old 11-06-2015, 05:43 PM   #3
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I went to the Sema show in Las Vegas and talked to Banks about their water/methanol injection system, and it looks pretty good. Been reading up on it on the internet. It is an old proven system from what I have read. During World War 1 the P-47 (I think) used it to increase horse power etc. Sanford
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Old 11-06-2015, 09:57 PM   #4
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In the deezle truck world, snow has been around for a while...
BUT, very important to get the mixture right, too much and the results are not pretty
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Old 11-07-2015, 06:58 AM   #5
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Yes Snow Performance has quite a few kits for the water/meth injection systems. The optimum ratio from what I have read is 49% meth to 51% water. Like you said the mixture is very important and you don't want to go over a 50/50 mixture. Some windshield premix solutions are OK with about 30% methanol. If anyone is interested in checking out this cheap torque and horsepower method check Snow Performance and Banks Engineering web-sites. Sanford
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Old 11-07-2015, 09:07 AM   #6
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During World War 1 the P-47 (I think) used it to increase horse power
I think engine technology may have moved on a bit since then.
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Yes engine technology has moved on a bit, but from what I've read on water/methanol injection on gas and diesel engines has also technologically advanced. Check it out for yourself and see. Sanford
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Old 11-08-2015, 06:59 AM   #8
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I went to the Sema show in Las Vegas and talked to Banks about their water/methanol injection system, and it looks pretty good. Been reading up on it on the internet. It is an old proven system from what I have read. During World War 1 the P-47 (I think) used it to increase horse power etc. Sanford

Actually, it was World War II, and the P-47 as well as other fighters of that era had water injection. There was a little safety wire across the throttle slide that prevented you from engaging the water injection accidentally. In an emergency, you forced the throttle forward, broke the little wire, started injecting water for a short period of time if you had to GET AWAY FROM SOMETHING or whatnot. Then if you made it back to base, they generally had to rebuild the engine!

Moral of the story is if you don't get the mixture/amount/timing right, or use it on the wrong type of engine, you can be in to big $$$$$! Although pretty cool, I'll settle at arriving at my destination 20 minutes later!
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Arriving at my destination 20 minutes later is what I do now. Although at times I wish I had a bigger engine aka more powerful. This could be the answer. Good fuel economy on the flatland, and power to climb the grades "cool" (lower internal engine temperature) at more speed is inviting. Sanford
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Here is the rest of the story: after checking out Banks and Snow Performance's water/methanol injection systems for my ISB 340 HP 6.7 Liter Cummins Diesel I have decided it was not worth the money or the hassle purchasing and slepping around the extra weight of liquid. Now the GREAT news my ISB 340 HP is now at Cummins Pacific in Downey, Calif. getting an extra 100 plus foot pounds of TORQUE. Some more HP and all at a cost of less then $400.00 with my Good Sam discount and my Cummins Club discount. They will be reflashing my ECM (engine computer module) with the up rated software. Everything always works out............Sanford
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Here is the rest of the story: after checking out Banks and Snow Performance's water/methanol injection systems for my ISB 340 HP 6.7 Liter Cummins Diesel I have decided it was not worth the money or the hassle purchasing and slepping around the extra weight of liquid. Now the GREAT news my ISB 340 HP is now at Cummins Pacific in Downey, Calif. getting an extra 100 plus foot pounds of TORQUE. Some more HP and all at a cost of less then $400.00 with my Good Sam discount and my Cummins Club discount. They will be reflashing my ECM (engine computer module) with the up rated software. Everything always works out............Sanford
Will the transmission handle the uprate? Usually it's the transmission that keeps the HP/torque ratings down,
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I believe the trans will be OK and that the engine manufacturer might have intentionally down grated the engine to pass EPA standards, and insure the engine didn't fail during the 5 year warranty period. Possibly the Allaison is also rated conservatively for the same reasons. I do have pyro and boost gauges so I will be watching them during grade climbing. If the Trans does fail I will get it rebuilt with heavier duty torque converters etc. Bottom line it's my ride and I'm enjoying it. Sanford
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"I believe...", "might have ...", "ensure the engine didn't fail ...", "Possibly ...."


Fingers and toes crossed then?
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Think about this for a bit.. now these devices are not all that expensive to produce.. Americans seem to all be related to Tim Allen's character on Home Improvement "MORE POWER, MORE POWER"... And we also really do not like paying the Koch brothers that much (MORE MPG, MORE MPG) in fact the Government has mandated MORE MPG for all vehicles as well.

If adding something like this would result in more POWER and performance and more MPG and NOT damage the engine...

Would not the manufacturers be doing it?

Ask yourself that question?

In this case the answer is: Engine Damage.. yes it works,, But the cost of a new engine negates any and all savings.
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