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Old 01-01-2007, 04:20 PM   #1
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Looking at the weights of the Excels tells me that a stout TV is required. Is a 3/4 ton pickup -2002 Duramax- enough or do we need the stability of a Dually? I s'pose it's been asked before..
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Old 01-01-2007, 04:20 PM   #2
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Looking at the weights of the Excels tells me that a stout TV is required. Is a 3/4 ton pickup -2002 Duramax- enough or do we need the stability of a Dually? I s'pose it's been asked before..
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Old 01-01-2007, 04:24 PM   #3
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Zip,

I towed my 30'RGE with a '93 F250 before I bought my Volvo. You should be ok. The reason I went the way I did was because of the boat I tow behind.
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The problem you're likely to run up against is not enough GVWR to handle the pin weight.

With a GVWR of 15,000#, you're probably looking at a pin weight of around 3,000# if the rig is fully loaded.

Take your truck down to the local scales and weigh it with a full tank of fuel, plus all the people and gear that normally are loaded in the truck on a trip. Once you have the actual weight, subtract it from the truck's GVWR, and that will tell you the maximum pin weight your truck should handle. While you're at it, subtract your truck's weight from it's GCWR to see the maximum weight of a fully loaded fiver you should be pulling.
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Old 01-01-2007, 06:53 PM   #5
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We have a 33RSE that we pull with a Ford F250. I am not as worried about the pickup itself being overloaded as I am the tires.The F250 can handle a little overload, but my tires are the 17" and only have a carrying capacity of 3195 lbs. per tire. This makes them about 200 lbs. over on each tire. These OE tires are the highest rated 17" I can find. There are higher rated tires in both 16" and 18". I expect to be changing to 18" wheels and tires very soon so that I can be a little safer pulling our trailer.
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Old 01-02-2007, 07:04 AM   #6
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From the weights of the 30RSO using the advice from Linda, it looks like we need a dually for the pin weight. I figured out the max allowable pin weight for my 2500HD runs around 2000lbs. Seems kind of low doesn't it?
I have no doubt that the truck I have will tow the trailer. These turbocharged direct injected diesels are hosses. But after years of reading pros and cons on this site and the diesel place and rv.net, etc, I still lean towards the favor of safety. Haven't yet seen anyone complain about having too much truck.
Unfinished, when you upgrade to the 18", will you have to worry about the wheel capacity?
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No, I will use a set of OE 18" wheels that come on a 2007 1 ton.
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Hi, we pulled a Excel 33RSE with a 3/4 ton Ford for a couple of years and had no problems. It was a 2002 Ford and the suspension was equal to the task. It was probably overloaded some but got along fine. We traded the Ford for a one ton Dodge in 2005 and it doesn't have near the suspension as the Ford had for towing. Sure do like the Cummins though.
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Excel's are not the exception when it comes to the increased GTWRs being encountered in higher-end 5th wheels. Manufacturers are continually adding amenities and construction upgrades to satisfy customer demands. The problem, IMO, is the lag time for tow vehicle manufacturers to react to more TV capacity in a pickup truck production model. In the past, TV manufacturers tended to use a band-aid approach to increasing TV capacity. Ford will add the F-450 production pickup in 2008 with a GTWR of 24,500 lbs. and a 6.4L diesel engine.

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In reviewing the broschure for Excel (2007) your weights are going to vary from 2270 to 2490 pounds. (RT to Limited accordingly). A 3/4 ton pickup will be able to handle the vehicle very nicely (depending on motor and rear end size) Also will need to know if the truck has an overload package on it or will you need to be adding some type of extra's to the truck, reverload springs, airbags etc. In towing many units up and down the road, I would feel extremely comfortable towing the Excel 30 RSO with it's weights anywhere in the US and beyond. Hope this helps your answers in Towing.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wrongway:
In reviewing the broschure for Excel (2007) your weights are going to vary from 2270 to 2490 pounds. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But those are the dry hitch weights, not the hitch weight when loaded up. Assuming that one loads up the fifth wheel to it's GVWR of 15,000# (and a fulltimer will most likely do so), then one can expect a loaded hitch weight of around 3,000# (20% of GVWR).
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As several have noted, Excels are heavy and you will have a loaded pin weight of close to 20% of the trailer GVWR. You can pressty much forget the brochure published dry weight and dry pin weight unless you plan to pull the trailer empty and dry.

So if your trialer has a GVWR of 15,000#, you can expect to see a loaded pin weight close to 3000#. I don't know of any 3/4 ton trucks that can handle this much pin weight. The truck payload capacity is based on a stripped model truck, no cargo, no passengers, no accessories, no hitch and only a 150# driver.

To know fro sure you need to weigh your truck in travel load, full fuel and hitch. This is your trucks laden vehicel weight (LVW).

GCWR - LVW = maximum loaded trailer weight.
GVWR - LVW = max loaded trailer pin weight.

You have to meet the load requirements on both items, not just either/or, to stay within ratings.

Even if you chose to tow over ratings, you need to weigh everything and know just how far over you are to allow room on the road.

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Although the reference information that not only for fifth wheels as well as Trucks is nice to have, it should be only a reference. If you use this information to the "T", you won't be able to handle any of the higher end fifth wheels on the market today. As one truck salesman/dealership has expressed to me is that they are a guide to what the truck will handle. If they put the exact weights to the vehicle on them or in information, people would use it to the max plus, as they are now and then there would be issues beyond the manufactures recommandations. Now on Excel with the way that they engineer their frames and the placement of the Axles,(on every unit produced) with your unit you would have completely load the front to obtain the type of pin weight that you are indicting. Excel balances their units so that you should not see a extreme amount of weight thrown forward. Yes you will experience an increase in the pin weight, but only in a formula, and don't believe in the fashion that you are thinking. I know for fact that a 3/4 ton style pickup (in our experience Ford) will handle a 30' Excel with great confidence, up/down where ever you may decide to travel. Again, as stated before, depends on the horses in the tow vehicle. If the 3/4 Ton could not handle the product, you would not as many of them as you do at the Excel Campouts, as well as down south in the warmer climates. Alot of opinion here, but a load of experience as well.
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Wrongway, glad to have you heree on IRV2. A 3/4 ton may well handle the 30' Excel with an empty truck and trailer. We had looked at Excels and they are in fact heavy.

You can ot unload a hitch pin too much for a given trailer because you will get a bouncing or bucking effect.

Yes you do see people every day pulling larger trailers with 3/4 ton trucks and most do not have a clue as to what their real weights are.

So, in order to make a proper assessment of the weight issue, you need to start by getting a loaded and ready to travel weight on the truck, them you can determine the trailers that are in range of the truck. But just to say "Old heavy duty Bob is pulling a 38' Teton with a 1/2 ton HD pick up", does not add any proof to anything.

The manufacturers rate certain trailers for 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton trucks, but they use the maximum ratings for the base model trucks and do not plan on carrying much in the trailer.

Just weigh the truck and work from there.

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