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09-30-2010, 06:35 PM
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Water coming through the windows
I have rain coming through the forward window on the couch slide out on a 2007 33RSO. It is coming in under the window and screen lower groove in the frame. Is there something that could be done about this problem.
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09-30-2010, 10:27 PM
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PJ.....sorry to hear about your leak. Simple things first! The very first thing I'd check is a careful check for the external drains to make sure they are clear and flow water freely. Those are the slots you see in the bottom of the window molding on the outside. If they are plugged with dirt, leaves, ect. then the water fills in the channel and it comes inside and down the wall. I hope it is something that simple.......let's go from there. rockin'
P.S. Thanks for all the pix and stuff you are sharing with us on your trip. Dan too!!!
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10-01-2010, 07:00 AM
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My windows all have a drainage slot at the bottom of the frame on those that open. I'm not sure if yours are the same as I thought I remember somewhat stating that the windows were different on 'newer' models than the 2001. But like Rockin' said, I would check to make sure there open if you have the slots.
If not I used to get a small amount in one fixed window, depending on temp and other weather conditions, that got past the outside window rubber trim gasket. I removed that windows rubber trim and resealed the area and haven't had a problem since.
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10-01-2010, 09:49 AM
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I have an 07 33RSE. It has weep holes at the bottom of all the windows.
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10-01-2010, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Workshop
If not I used to get a small amount in one fixed window, depending on temp and other weather conditions, that got past the outside window rubber trim gasket. I removed that windows rubber trim and resealed the area and haven't had a problem since.
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I have an occasional window seepage leak on my Sunnybrook 5th-wheel. The water gathers on the bottom interior window frame. The drains are clear and I can not really pin down where it is coming from since it is such a slow leak.
I suspect that the window seals around the edge of the window are the cause. What is the procedure to replace the seals? I have never had to remove a window and I don't want to make it worse than it is now...
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10-01-2010, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by edj
I have an occasional window seepage leak on my Sunnybrook 5th-wheel. The water gathers on the bottom interior window frame. The drains are clear and I can not really pin down where it is coming from since it is such a slow leak.
I suspect that the window seals around the edge of the window are the cause. What is the procedure to replace the seals? I have never had to remove a window and I don't want to make it worse than it is now...
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edj...when you state that you suspect the seals around the edge of the window...are you referring to the caulk that seals between the window frame and the exterior ? Because you also said that you have never had to remove a window..... Could you provide a picture of your window ?
35.__Exterior Window: window glazing replacement is a repair I did to correct an interminate small leak into the inside frame of a fixed window that was part of the larger rear window. After the outside glazing was removed from that window, the only place the moisture could have gotten inside was between the glass and the frame.
I could never see the leak itself, regardless of how often I watched for it during a rain. But it would just appear. I applied silicone along the edge of the glass and frame and never had the problem since. The outside glazing is just a trim, it does not make the window water proof. The 'bedding', sealant between the frame and the glass pane, does that.
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10-03-2010, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Workshop
edj...when you state that you suspect the seals around the edge of the window...are you referring to the caulk that seals between the window frame and the exterior ? Because you also said that you have never had to remove a window..... Could you provide a picture of your window ?
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Here is a photo of the outside of the rear window and the corner of the inside where the water seepage collects. The trailer has been is storage for the past 6 months, so it is pretty dirty. We keep a rolled up paper towel in the bottom 'trough' where the water collects and it was damp when I removed it for the photo.
I am thinking that the seal around the window is faulty. Is removing the window to replace the seal just a matter or removing the screws around the interior of the window?
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10-03-2010, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by edj
Here is a photo of the outside of the rear window and the corner of the inside where the water seepage collects. The trailer has been is storage for the past 6 months, so it is pretty dirty. We keep a rolled up paper towel in the bottom 'trough' where the water collects and it was damp when I removed it for the photo.
I am thinking that the seal around the window is faulty. Is removing the window to replace the seal just a matter or removing the screws around the interior of the window?
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Yes I understand having to explain a dirty RV....I never notice how dirty mine is until I take a photo to do a post and the picture shows it all.
If you want to seal between the window frame and the exterior fiberglass of the unit...you don't have to remove the window to do that. Just remove the old caulk or if none is installed, add a bead. If it was leaking between the frame and siding...the wall would be wet as well. That's not the case...?
I want to think that your problem might be the same as what I had. It appears that the rubber glazing on your fixed window is the same as mine and what I removed in the post I referenced earlier.
I will try to do a photo post this evening or tomorrow morning. I want to say there is a better chance that the moisture is coming from between the windows frame and the glass than from the outside frame and siding.
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10-03-2010, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Workshop
Yes I understand having to explain a dirty RV....I never notice how dirty mine is until I take a photo to do a post and the picture shows it all.
If you want to seal between the window frame and the exterior fiberglass of the unit...you don't have to remove the window to do that. Just remove the old caulk or if none is installed, add a bead. If it was leaking between the frame and siding...the wall would be wet as well. That's not the case...?
I want to think that your problem might be the same as what I had. It appears that the rubber glazing on your fixed window is the same as mine and what I removed in the post I referenced earlier.
I will try to do a photo post this evening or tomorrow morning. I want to say there is a better chance that the moisture is coming from between the windows frame and the glass than from the outside frame and siding.
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It may be the case that the seepage is through the glass and rubber seal. We never could see where the water was coming from because it seeped in so slowly. When it was raining outside, I would dry it where the moisture collected at the bottom of the window. When I looked at it again 10 minutes later, it would be a bit of water there again. I never really considered that it may be the glass and rubber gasket seal that is bad. After thinking about it, it would seem logical that if the water was coming in past the window frame seal and the gelcoat, the water would end up going down the interior wall instead of at the bottom of the interior window.
Did you run the silicone caulk on the outside along the edge of the glass seal? Or did you lift up the seal to get the caulk under it?
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10-04-2010, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by edj
It may be the case that the seepage is through the glass and rubber seal. We never could see where the water was coming from because it seeped in so slowly. When it was raining outside, I would dry it where the moisture collected at the bottom of the window. When I looked at it again 10 minutes later, it would be a bit of water there again. I never really considered that it may be the glass and rubber gasket seal that is bad. After thinking about it, it would seem logical that if the water was coming in past the window frame seal and the gelcoat, the water would end up going down the interior wall instead of at the bottom of the interior window.
Did you run the silicone caulk on the outside along the edge of the glass seal? Or did you lift up the seal to get the caulk under it?
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I will be posting the photo post shortly...need to upload the photos.
It woud never hurt to check and ensure that the screws that secures the window's inside trim to the exterior frame are tight. I would also check the sealant, if there is any along the outside edge of the windows frame where it contacts the gelcoat. As long as the window is tight on the unit....I would seal that area, bead of caulk, before removing the window which could be a job and I don't think it is the cause of your problem unless there is damage or evidence of other issues to the wall.
If you look at the window from the inside, there is a raised lip which almost forms a channel inside, behind the lip. It would be hard for moisture from outside the frame to get past that lip and get inside to that channel. It would most likely travel around the outside of the frame and get the wall wet.
Here are several links to Hehr Intl, the maker of the windowL
Hehr's home page
Service manuals
If you look at one of the photos that I posted, the prior owner tried to apply a sealant on the miters of the glazing to no avail. Remember the glazing, rubber seal, is just a trim and does not act as a weather proofer as moisture will get past the glazing. As Post #35 showed, I removed the glazing and sealed the edges of the glass and frame. I didn't want to take the chance of trying to remove the glass from the frame by breaking the bedding and reseal it there. If might remove easily, I don't know, just never tried. You could call Hehr and ask what they think.
Moisture can be a strange thing to track down at times. I believe it was coming from the lower left corner of where the glass and trim on my window. So far the problem hasn't come back.
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10-04-2010, 09:05 AM
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Here is the photo post. Can't say that my problem is the same as yours....but sounds simular. Hope this is useful.
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10-04-2010, 09:14 AM
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Thank you for your description. That looks exactly like what my leak is. If I understand correctly, you removed the exterior rubber trim first. Then used silicone caulk on the exterior of the window to seal between the metal frame and the glass. You also used the caulk on the interior lower corner. Is this correct? Did you replace the rubber trim or just leave it off?
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10-04-2010, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by edj
Thank you for your description. That looks exactly like what my leak is. If I understand correctly, you removed the exterior rubber trim first. Then used silicone caulk on the exterior of the window to seal between the metal frame and the glass. Is this correct? Did you replace the rubber trim or just leave it off?
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I did clean the area and applied silicone around the edge of the glass and frame. I also re-installed the rubber trim.
When applying the silicone, I used a small bead, If I remember correcly, been awhile, to large a bead, especially if dried, could affect the way the rubber trim sets when re-installed. It will make more sence once it is visual...pictures and discussion is always harder to picture in 'ones mind' than looking at something straight on.
Post #35 showed the repair and discussed the trim and how it was removed and installed.
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10-04-2010, 09:59 AM
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Thanks again. The link is very helpful. I missed the fact that you had the link there on your earlier post. The window that is leaking is in my '99 Sunnybrook 5th-wheel. There was not space in the signature area to list both of the rigs.
I will be fixing the leak whenever it stops raining up here in NY.....
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