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Old 07-19-2011, 08:20 AM   #1
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Navistar - Regeneration

Both SCR and AEGR will have their moments and since this is the MaxxForce Forum, please find attached the MaxxForce brochure that describes the process. (Bottom of article)

Commonly known in its short form as ; "ReGen"; these are the processes and stages of operation during the procedure.

The process is described in all three phases;
Passive
Active
Manual (Parked Regeneration)

We are also going to see in this document that the ReGen is largely automated and for the most part will need little operator interaction unless notified on the instrument panel that a manual or parked ReGen is required. Since I don't operate one of these vehicles, I'm not at all certain how the pre-existing conditions manifest themselves. I can only surmise by the documentation and other web based articles that it is in fact derived from the ingestion of the engine's own lubricating oil.

Throughout the process, you will see that the AEGR system will remain in compliance with 2010 emissions. In the last phase of ReGen schedule (step 4) the instruction is to shut the vehicle down and have it towed to a service center. Obviously something would have to be very broken for a DPF to become over loaded with what is called ash.

How much ash is there actually? I would expect not much at all since these systems would become continuously over whelmed but the ash can be said to exist in minute or trace amounts.

No one is going to want to see an ash cloud fly out of the tailpipe as ash is not a by product that is allowed in the exhaust stream.

In SCR speak they call it large particles however those are trapped by the DPF as well after passing the DOC. Any DPF can be overwhelmed to the point of failure. I expect that in this extreme case the recommendation is the same and that's to have the vehicle towed and serviced.

DEF in of itself does not treat ash but is atomized by the dosing valve which allows gasses to be processed more efficiently in the SCR further downstream.

Here are some reference materials for additional reading:

Investigation into Ash Loading and Its Relationship to DPF Regeneration Method (SAE International)
Microscopy investigations of ash and particulate matter accumulation in diesel particulate filter surface pores (MIT)
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Now I'm no expert on any of this, but from what I can find out it seems that a parked regen only seems to happen to those that use these engines in stop and go traffic as in intown deliveries. Seems to happen to both Navistar and Cummins, from what I've been able to find seems a little more common with the urea system

That said it sounds like in a Motorhome application that is mainly driven on interstates that either system should not have any problems.

If I'm wrong someone please correct me.

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That said it sounds like in a Motorhome application that is mainly driven on interstates that either system should not have any problems.
Trap, We have a number of MaxxForce7 owners here and I don't believe that I have read where a manual regen was necessary. So that's a good thing. I am not sure if SCR based manufacturers have to regen more than AEGR but I wouldn't expect that they would. Underway regen seems to be what these vehilces do without too much fuss.
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Trap, We have a number of MaxxForce7 owners here and I don't believe that I have read where a manual regen was necessary. So that's a good thing. I am not sure if SCR based manufacturers have to regen more than AEGR but I wouldn't expect that they would. Underway regen seems to be what these vehilces do without too much fuss.

DriVer: It happens on mine automatically. From what I understand if you need to do a manual you have something else going on.
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DriVer: It happens on mine automatically. From what I understand if you need to do a manual you have something else going on.
Absolutely. If you need to do a manual regen or a parked regen something isn't right and I don't expect that it'll get much better before it gets fixed.
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My patrol at C DOT did not get any of the new Mack trucks but our sister patrols did. We work together quite a bit and it's an ongoing joke that we are jealous because if we're plowing snow together, the Mack trucks are always calling on the radio , " sorry guys, I gotta stop and Regen this thing". We tease them that it always seem to happen around a Burger joint but it is for real.
I have no idea if International is the same but our patrol has a brand new Workstar, and it has instructions on the visor for Stage 1, 2 and 3 Regening. The truck only has 600 miles on it but no one has had to Regen it yet.
I hope I'm wrong but it seems all these new engines have a lot more problems than the older ones including the Powestroke that always used to say " Drive to clean exhaust filter" . Now it doesn't say it anymore, but it runs terrible even after the Ford dealer had it for a month. Only has 33,000 miles
None of C DOTs trucks take DEF yet as far as I know, I have never heard DEF mentioned anyway, but it must be better or the OTR trucks and drivers would be raising cane.
I don't know if this is just an International thing or not, but we have several of the relatively newer ones and of you sit and idle for about 5 minutes, the engine turns off by design. How would OTR truckers keep warm or cool if their trucks do this?
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