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Old 10-20-2020, 02:48 AM   #1
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EGR & DPF delete / re-flash.

Hello all you smart folks out there just chomp'in at the bit to help a fellow RV'r out.
What I'm wondering is does anyone on this forum have any info or personal experience on doing an EGR & DPF delete on a 2009 Monaco Camelot 42DSQ ISL 425 HP?
I've checked around here in Canada and every shop I've contacted wants between $2,300.00 and $2,700.00 just to do a re-flash! No labor!
I would block off the EGR and get rid of the DPF myself so there is no labor involved. That's insane!! I could see $500.00 to $600.00, I would be ok with that.
Then there's the Ugly Fix. I checked into this and for $150.00 you get a module that tricks your ECU into thinking you are driving over 7,000 feet elevation.
When I spoke to the people at Ugly Fix they said it works great but you "Need" to have a perfectly good operating EGR valve for it to work.
I've read allot of mixed reviews on the Ugly Fix, more bad than good.
What do the experts here think is the best way to go about doing the EGR & DPF delete??
Also does anyone know where I could get the re-flash done for a reasonable price?
I've got no problem shipping my ECU off to a reputable company for a re-flash.
I've heard doing these deletes really helps fuel economy, power and engine longevity.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Everything I have read on the 2007 & later engines with DPF makes me believe you should leave it alone & just maintain the emission system. There are many that will take your money but no more than a couple in all of the US & Canada that can program your ECM without doing more harm than good.
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I'm going to tag onto hypoxia's post here.

I suspect the high cost of the re-flash is due to the proprietary nature of the software. Don't know if Cummins is supplying it because what is being done is against the law, but that would be on the shop, not Cummins. For the shop to re-flash, it needs to pay for the software. If it is aftermarket, non-Cummins, software, then again you are paying for someone's expertise, not the shop's efforts. If this is the case, then you have another risk involved in that the programming is not "factory."
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I did mine on the p/u in my signature line, feels and drives like a whole new truck, engine is not eating it's own crap. Picked up approx. 2-3 mpg but way better seat of the pants feeling, it feels like a proper Cummins.

Full Exhaust from turbo back, with a quiet tone muffler and a resonator right behind the turbo, so no cab drone.

I made my own EGR cooler block off plates on exhaust manifold and EGR valve plates on intake. I went through Anarchy Diesel, plug and play. They have many options out there. I just keep mine on "stock" setting.. big difference, still full functioning factory ex-brake etc...and non of that rolling coal non sense...it runs clean.

It's been 3 years and absolutely no issues. Prices most likely have gone up, if I remember correctly, I was under $1500 cad for all parts and me doing the work, that's when I could cross the border to my ship happens address though, so no shipping costs.

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Engine tuning on our engines is done utilizing Cummins Calterm. Re-tune/refresh is the only way to get what your after. $2500 is pretty steep...but for what they have to do and the outcome its so worth it.

There is cheaper ways and people...but do you want them? Its a $30k engine. Also will they answer the phone if you have an issue? If your ECM fails months/years from now who re flashes it for you?

Ugly Fix is a joke.
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Hello all you smart folks out there just chomp'in at the bit to help a fellow RV'r out.
Call around to some of the farm equipment dealers. They might be able to help you out.

Getting rid of all the pollution extra's will make a big difference, and so many less sensors, etc. to go wrong.

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Thank you all for your replies.
I have called around to about 6 different shops, even a farm equipment shop (they don't work on motor homes, even just the ECU) and get around the same price quote.
I know the software they are using to do a re-flash is not cheap but there isn't much labor involved when you ship them your ECU to have it re-flashed.
I just feel that $2,500.00 is a little much for the amount of work involved.
I could see it if they were installing the EGR block off plates and removing the DPF but I would do all that work myself.
I know what it takes to do a re-flash as I have done it on cars and light trucks so I know it's not $2,500.00 worth of labor.
Even if I could find a place in the US to ship my ECU to to have it re-flashed at a reasonable price I would go for it.
Problem is finding a place that will do it at a reasonable cost??
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Bad idea. You will turn your expensive unit into a piece of junk. Ido not know where you live but it is illegal in BC and maybe Ontario. No decent shop will work on your engine once you modify the emission system. Some Cummins shops will not allow a vehicle withe emission system into their shop. If you have drive ability problems who will fix them?
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Thank you all for your replies.
I have called around to about 6 different shops, even a farm equipment shop (they don't work on motor homes, even just the ECU) and get around the same price quote.
I know the software they are using to do a re-flash is not cheap but there isn't much labor involved when you ship them your ECU to have it re-flashed.
I just feel that $2,500.00 is a little much for the amount of work involved.
I could see it if they were installing the EGR block off plates and removing the DPF but I would do all that work myself.
I know what it takes to do a re-flash as I have done it on cars and light trucks so I know it's not $2,500.00 worth of labor.
Even if I could find a place in the US to ship my ECU to to have it re-flashed at a reasonable price I would go for it.
Problem is finding a place that will do it at a reasonable cost??
Once again, the cost is high because of the software, not the labor. You are comparing apples and oranges when you show concern over the "$2,500 worth of labor." The bulk of the cost is in the "part," which is software.

If you were looking to install a proprietary part on your engine, that could be bolted on in 15 minutes by anyone, but the part cost $2300 and was only available from the engine manufacturer, would you still have the same complaint?

Now, in all fairness, you haven't told us how much of the total costs you've investigated are for labor. If the itemized charge for labor of the flash is, say $1000, then I would agree that it is unreasonable for what it entails.
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Thank you all for your replies.
I have called around to about 6 different shops, even a farm equipment shop (they don't work on motor homes, even just the ECU) and get around the same price quote.
I know the software they are using to do a re-flash is not cheap but there isn't much labor involved when you ship them your ECU to have it re-flashed.
I just feel that $2,500.00 is a little much for the amount of work involved.
I could see it if they were installing the EGR block off plates and removing the DPF but I would do all that work myself.
I know what it takes to do a re-flash as I have done it on cars and light trucks so I know it's not $2,500.00 worth of labor.
Even if I could find a place in the US to ship my ECU to to have it re-flashed at a reasonable price I would go for it.
Problem is finding a place that will do it at a reasonable cost??
Try these guys, they gave me a genuine Cummins reflash with Insite equipment right on the coach.
ECM King - Heavy Duty Truck ECM Rebuilders & Remanufacturers

Pretty sure that you will not get a actual Cummins approved reflash without full emissions equipment.
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I'm not sure I'd discuss doing something illegal on an open forum like this. In fact it may be against the forum rules.
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IF you do Facebook, you can find several cummins groups that discuss just that.. I come from the 6.7 Powerstroke world, and infact you don't actually have to remove the EGR stuff. The Tune your purchase will simply disable the functionality of it. However many people remove it just to open up the engine bay, and some people are afraid that the valves can bleed by
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I am truly sorry if I stepped out of line by asking my question here. Where we live in Alberta there are no emission laws so a person is able to remove them without breaking the law.
Being a mechanic I am quite familiar with how all these systems work and the benefits of removing them. I would be doing all the labor myself as I don't let "ANYBODY' else but me work on any of my vehicles.
My biggest reason for wanting to disable / remove the EGR and DPF is from the research I've done it says that when the engine is ingesting it's own soot via the EGR valve it is hard on the rings and cylinder walls thus shortening the life of the engine.
Plus without these systems functioning it is said to make a big improvement on fuel economy and better drivability all around.
But it looks like I will just have to live with it the way it is.

Sorry if I was out of line and apologize to everyone that replied to this thread.
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I am truly sorry if I stepped out of line by asking my question here. Where we live in Alberta there are no emission laws so a person is able to remove them without breaking the law.
Being a mechanic I am quite familiar with how all these systems work and the benefits of removing them. I would be doing all the labor myself as I don't let "ANYBODY' else but me work on any of my vehicles.
My biggest reason for wanting to disable / remove the EGR and DPF is from the research I've done it says that when the engine is ingesting it's own soot via the EGR valve it is hard on the rings and cylinder walls thus shortening the life of the engine.
Plus without these systems functioning it is said to make a big improvement on fuel economy and better drivability all around.
But it looks like I will just have to live with it the way it is.

Sorry if I was out of line and apologize to everyone that replied to this thread.
Honestly, I see no reason for an apology.

The "illegality" claims are simply a warning, IMO, in case you were not aware. Though there may be no emission laws in your province, removal of such devices do have an impact on resale as well as possible warranties. Further, there may be federal laws in Canada which do not permit removal of emission equipment, regardless of provincial regulations.

In short, I don't believe you've offended anyone. I have read many threads on this forum that discuss removal or modification of emission devices and none have been flagged as "not permitted" as no one has advocated making the change and then passing off the vehicle as compliant.
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