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Old 06-06-2017, 06:18 PM   #1
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Question Need instructions replacing VP44 pump on 01 Fleetwood Discovery

Hello, Need to replace the injection pump on Cummins 5.9 2001 Fleetwood Discovery and can't find any information except for Dodge truck applications which they don't have a big stinking air compressor in the way. My biggest question is do I have to remove the air compressor to get to the VP44 injection pump? If so what is involved in removal of air compressor?
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one bolt at a time.
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one bolt at a time.
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Old 06-06-2017, 10:28 PM   #4
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There will be video online for Dodge/Cummins trucks , only one special tool required . Do not ask how many I changed , I know I should have kept track.
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Sorry should have elaborated , I spent 14 years doing Dodge/Cummins , Dodge warranty paid 2.6hrs to replace the VP-44, I was doing them in 1.8hrs. sometimes two a day. 10 years retired and I'm sure I could pull every tool needed out of my box and lay it on the fender.
DW, asked what I was doing on line , I said helping with a VP-44 , she said remember not everybody has a tool box with $40,000 invested in tools .
Anyhow , some tips to speed things along ,
Take pictures of the fuel tubes and the anti-rattle brackets , if you look carefully , not all the brackets need to be removed , and the tubes can come off the engine in 2 sets of three tubes, and that speeds up removal/install considerably.
Everything is metric . In case you didn't already know .
The only special tool from Dodge was a close clearance gear puller , to pop the pump drive gear off. Basically to avoid removing the fan/shroud, to install a standard gear puller. It wasn't much 2 1/2" diameter 1/4" plate with two bolts through it to thread into the gear once the retaining bolt comes off.
Locating the pump drive key straight up prior to removal is paramount , if that hardened woodruf key falls inside the timing gear cover your in for a whole pile more work , to find it .
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Sorry should have elaborated , I spent 14 years doing Dodge/Cummins , Dodge warranty paid 2.6hrs to replace the VP-44, I was doing them in 1.8hrs. sometimes two a day. 10 years retired and I'm sure I could pull every tool needed out of my box and lay it on the fender.
DW, asked what I was doing on line , I said helping with a VP-44 , she said remember not everybody has a tool box with $40,000 invested in tools .
Anyhow , some tips to speed things along ,
Take pictures of the fuel tubes and the anti-rattle brackets , if you look carefully , not all the brackets need to be removed , and the tubes can come off the engine in 2 sets of three tubes, and that speeds up removal/install considerably.
Everything is metric . In case you didn't already know .
The only special tool from Dodge was a close clearance gear puller , to pop the pump drive gear off. Basically to avoid removing the fan/shroud, to install a standard gear puller. It wasn't much 2 1/2" diameter 1/4" plate with two bolts through it to thread into the gear once the retaining bolt comes off.
Locating the pump drive key straight up prior to removal is paramount , if that hardened woodruf key falls inside the timing gear cover your in for a whole pile more work , to find it .
Post again here if you need more help .
Thank you Skip! I think I can do the VP44 pretty easy and have the special puller tool I need but my biggest question is do I try removal without removing the Air Compressor that is smack dab in front of the vp44 pump?? Or do I need to remove the Air compressor first??? and if so, how do I remove it? I have seen lots of video's on the vp44 removal, but can't find a one on the Air compressor removal.

This is just a picture I found that shows what the air compressor looks like and position in relation to vp44. This picture has a P-Pump instead of VP44 which is a lot taller. So you can see my dilemma.
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Ok , not seeing an injection pump in that picture.
But , air compressor removal , if similar location to the picture ( looks like a 4 cyl ?) check for an oil pressure supply line and remove ,mark and remove air lines, remove rear compressor support bracket , then the two bolts that hold the pump to the back of the timing gear housing , the compressor drive gear will come out with the unit.
Or should I say when Dodge / Cummins , mounted the Vacuum/ power steering pumps in that location , that's how they came out.
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When removed the pump will probably look like this .
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When I took the air compressor off my 5.9 for an oil leak I had to drain cooling system.compressor is heavy and hard to handle.
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Thank you guys! I am getting ready to go out and tackle it now. At least I know how it comes off. On the dodge's they usually have the vacuum pump and power steering pump in the place of where my air pump is, but wasn't sure if it was the same 2 bolt scenario. This helps me alot. thanks again!

Wish me luck! draining coolant now.
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Well job is almost complete, I ended up just removing the head of the compressor and that made all the difference in the world on getting to the vp44. Vp44 was out in minutes after doing that. Thank God! Hopefully RV will be going done the road tomorrow . Thanks again for your help!!!
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After all this , I'm hoping you've checked the lift pump for flow volume and pressure , and have new filters on hand.
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After all this , I'm hoping you've checked the lift pump for flow volume and pressure , and have new filters on hand.
Actually good suggestions, but yes Brand new lift pump, filter, filter housing and fuel lines. Hopefully a new FaSS fuel system before long as well if the wife will let me spend the money after all this fun.
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When you said " fuel lines " It brought this post to mind. Maybe worth a look depending on how far you went with the new lines.

http://www.irv2.com/forums/f26/the-t...er-328852.html

I know there are connectors in that location ( pictured in the post) in my coach , so I don't know if a previous owner removed one from that position .
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