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Old 11-04-2012, 12:58 PM   #1
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Allison 1000 - Do I have the wrong dip stick ?

Reading the fluid level HOT/WARM, after a long drive yesterday and going thru the gears about 4 or 5 times, in park with the engine running, the dip stick showed:

To the bottom of the COLD line, about 2" below the HOT crosshatch.

I checked an hour later and the level was close to, or in, the HOT crosshatch.

I checked now, 24 hours later and the level shows the same.

My dip stick has a red handle with a yellow dot on the top, if that is any help. It is 72 inches long and has a splice in the middle. 1/2 of the metal is light color and after the splice, it is a different, darker metal.

The fluid looks and smells good and I have not noticed any foaming out the breather. Nor any trans slippage or other anomalies.

I looked at the trans nameplate and it is TID 001; EFCN E004754; serial# 0310197024 and mfr date 02B21.

I don't know if I have the standard or short oil pan. Don't know if I have the long fill tube/dipstick or the short fill tube/dipstick.

I can call Allison but thought I would toss this out to you.....first

Many thanks
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:27 AM   #2
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I did find the letter "M" stamped on the darker portion of the dipstick.

I did not think to check the fluid when in Neutral when I did the warm check in Park. Does anyone think it would have showed a different reading? The dipstick says "check in Park"
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:17 PM   #3
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I looked at the trans nameplate and it is TID 001; EFCN E004754; serial# 0310197024 and mfr date 02B21.

I don't know if I have the standard or short oil pan. Don't know if I have the long fill tube/dipstick or the short fill tube/dipstick.

I can call Allison but thought I would toss this out to you.....first

Many thanks
I will run a serial number check and see if I can find any info on the dipstick, for future reference your serial number is 6310197024
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:26 PM   #4
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Dipstick

According to the parts system for your serial number, you have a deep pan. Once the trans is at operating temperature, fluid level in the hot cross hatches would be acceptable. When cold in park or neutral it should be in the cold cross hatches, if it is outside the cold zone you run the risk of airating the fluid and or pushing it out of the breather once the trans gets warm.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:59 AM   #5
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I have an Allison 1000 on my 2000 motor home and I am relatively sure it has a deep pan. When I drain the pan I get 10.5 quarts which I replace. The reading on the dipstick is in the right ranges.
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:36 PM   #6
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Thanks for the replies. I did quiz some Allison techs and still am a bit confused. They said to check for COLD level, run the engine for 2 minutes and check in both Park and Neutral, with the engine running.

To check for HOT level, run for more than 30 minutes on the road, going uphill or towing something, to attain operating temperature. (No gauge on our RV). Leave the engine running and check in both Park and Neutral.

Have not yet done either......but I will.

When I had a trans service done in 2010, it took 10 quarts of ATF, says the receipt. I hear it is not possible to drain EVERY DROP out of the trans so there could have been a 1/2 quart to two quarts left in the trans for a total capacity of 10.5 to 12 quarts. (Maybe) ????
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I change my fluid and it takes about 22 quarts.

You drain it and get about 11 quarts depending on how long you let it drain.
You then add back 11 quarts. Drive it about 5 to 10 miles and drain it again.

Again add back the amount you drained. I have a bucket with quarts measured on the inside so I put the exact amount that drained back in.

That is considered a complete change. If they only charged you for 11 quarts you didn't get a complete change.

There is also a spin on filter that must be changed when you do the fluid.

I check mine with the engine hot and on LEVEL ground. Should be at the full mark in the hot zone.
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Arch- Checked my Operators Manual and the Allison 1000 Mechanics Tips. Fluid change procedures in both only call for a drain and refill with approximately 10.6 quarts.
1. Drain the fluid and inspect for contamination
2. Remove and replace Filter, insure the magnet is present
3. Refill with 10.6 quarts and check fluid level
The only mention of the double (complete) change is when going from Dexron ATF to Transyn initially. Thereafter it is normal drain and refill.

My pubs are for a year 2000 transmission.
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Arch- Checked my Operators Manual and the Allison 1000 Mechanics Tips. Fluid change procedures in both only call for a drain and refill with approximately 10.6 quarts.
1. Drain the fluid and inspect for contamination
2. Remove and replace Filter, insure the magnet is present
3. Refill with 10.6 quarts and check fluid level
The only mention of the double (complete) change is when going from Dexron ATF to Transyn initially. Thereafter it is normal drain and refill.

My pubs are for a year 2000 transmission.
I stand corrected. You are right.

I've been doing the double drain all these years and probably could have gotten away with a single change.
However I will continue to do the double drain as the Dexron iii is sold at Costco by the case and it's not very expensive.
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Along the same lines, I bought a few cases of Mobil-1 Synthetic ATF when local Wallyworld had a closeout at less than DexronIII prices. Still have enough for 2 more Xmssn fluid changes at 24 month interval. Then I'll go to Transynd. I'm sure the synthetic Mobil-1 can run longer but why????
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