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03-14-2013, 09:27 AM
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Trans fluid for allison!
Rather than Transynd I have found this one to be pretty good.
It's a compatible replacement for Transynd, Dexron IIIH, Allison C-4, TES-295, and a ton of others.
And it made in the U.S.A..........
Check it out.
Wolfshead.com
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03-14-2013, 10:39 AM
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It may be compatible but it's not on the Allison approved list:
http://allisontransmission.com/servi...jsp?ThisPage=3
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03-14-2013, 10:56 AM
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Just because it's not endorsed by Allison doesn't mean it shouldn't be used.
I think I'll give it a try after what I've researched...... Unless really proven different.
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03-14-2013, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by CampDaven
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I agree. Allison's are bulletproof if well maintained so I don't see the point in using a fluid that has not gone through Allison's approval process. Amsoil is the same.
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03-14-2013, 12:04 PM
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If it's not on the list, it's not going in my Allison.
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03-14-2013, 12:45 PM
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Everyone is free to use what they are comfortable with. Even if it means sticking with Transynd that's made by Castrol for Allison............They name the price and you pay it. If you don't have a problem with that then no problem for you.
Just letting others know of other products available even though it's not on "Their List".
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03-14-2013, 12:52 PM
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Transynd is one of 9 approved TES295 fluids. How much less can it be for a product that is not approved by the owner of the spec. If you want to save $$$ just use a generic DexIII FLUID.
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03-14-2013, 01:07 PM
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Here is the list:
Allison Transmission
Now, it is really up to anyone's personal choice as to whether or not the want the advantages of sticking with proven products. Many fluids say the meet this and that standard but who says so? Most folks still don't know the Dexron III no longer exists and that fluids say they meet that standard but there is no one there to argue and prove them right or wrong.
I suppose if one follows fluid analysis protocols and finds they are doing good, then what point in arguing? If it saves money and keeps things moving correctly, more power to you.
My caveat is whether or not a vehicle is under warrantee or service contract. This could be the wiggle room needed to deny coverage.
Personally, I choose to be anal and stick with TranSynd AND do fluid analysis. It's a curse.
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03-14-2013, 01:19 PM
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Online I see the Wolfshead for about $66 for case of 12. Transynd, at about $34/gallon.
For a 19 quart change the difference is about $57.
Over the time between changes, this is truly trivial.
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03-14-2013, 01:50 PM
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A couple other thoughts...
The OP doesn't say if it is Wolf's Head synthetic ATF or not. If it is NOT synthetic I don't think it can meet TES295 but I could be wrong.
Give or take special deals generally:
Wolf's Head NON-synthetic is about $21/Gal
Wolf's Head synthetic is about $32/Gal
TranSynd is about $43/Gal
TranSynd (or any TES295 tested and approved brand) should last about 3 times as long as any non TES295 fluid. Do the math.
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03-14-2013, 02:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sky_Boss
A couple other thoughts...
The OP doesn't say if it is Wolf's Head synthetic ATF or not. If it is NOT synthetic I don't think it can meet TES295 but I could be wrong.
Give or take special deals generally:
Wolf's Head NON-synthetic is about $21/Gal
Wolf's Head synthetic is about $32/Gal
TranSynd is about $43/Gal
TranSynd (or any TES295 tested and approved brand) should last about 3 times as long as any non TES295 fluid. Do the math.
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It is the Super Universal Synthetic. Check out the pdf download on their site.
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03-14-2013, 02:05 PM
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Super Universal Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
(1/25/2012 edition) Wolf’s Head Super Universal Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid is a full synthetic automatic transmission fluid and is now reformulated with even more universal applications in modern traditional Automatic Transmissions. It is by far the most dynamic member of Wolf’s Head family of high performance automatic transmission fluids. It is the latest iteration of the fluid that changed the ATF market – the one premium ATF that became known for its rugged dependability, and as the inventory optimizer. With the exception of CVT fluids and Duel Clutch Fluids (DCT), the new Wolf’s Head Super Universal Synthetic ATF will come with broader and more universal coverage for the more traditional planetary-gear transmissions. By separating out the CVT application, Wolf’s Head is able to endorse performance applications for many more European, Korean, Japanese and U. S. heavy-duty transmission applications than ever before – not just the newer and more demanding transmissions, we are now able to recommend Wolf’s Head Oil Company’s Universal Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid for all conventional automatic transmissions – old and new. It is a special blend of synthetic base oils coupled with a multi-functional additive system and advanced friction modifiers to provide unsurpassed protection and reliable performance for all types of automatic transmissions, power steering units and hydraulic systems manufactured by virtually all of the automotive and transmission manufactures from around the world – the one fluid that replaces the confusion about which fluid to use in a multitude of automatic transmissions.
Wolf’s Head Super Universal Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid is such a superior transmission fluid that it may be used wherever established fluids are required or specified by all OEMs around the world including but not limited to General Motors approved Dexron® fluids including Dexron® VI and GM T-IV; Ford Motor Company's Mercon® approved fluids including Mercon® V, Mercon® SP and Mercon® ; Honda ATF-Z1, VTM-4, DW-1, DPF, Mercedes Benz, Mitsubishi Diamond SP II, SP III, SP-IV, and Toyota T-IV and WS and many others. Extensive laboratory and field testing has proven this superior automatic transmission fluid meets or exceeds the performance requirements of automatic transmissions manufactured by American, European, Japanese, Korean, and most other vehicle manufactures around the world - it is truly universal and truly the one fluid you can use worldwide.
Wolf’s Head Super Universal Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid is compatible with traditional automatic transmission fluids whether used as a top-off or in a complete fluid change. Today’s automatic transmission fluids must help vehicles attain improved fuel economy performance, offer better anti-wear performance and much better anti-shudder performance. Because of new, superior, more durable and much more sophisticated state-of-the-art chemistry, Wolf’s Head Oil Company’s new and improved Universal Synthetic Automatic transmission fluid offers better anti-shudder durability, better friction stability, better anti-wear protection, better oxidation stability and better low temperature operation than the already great fluid it replaces. Wolf’s Head Oil Company’s recent research led to advances in friction modifier technology, and those advances along with a new optimized viscosity formula are some of the reasons we can claim improvements in fuel economy. Wolf’s Head new robust additive system resists degradation and that, along with improvements in seal swell protection, lead to longer fluid life which is perfect for those so-called filled-for-life transmissions.
Some performance levels are limited by viscosity grades. Please consult the Performance Application Chart, the Inspection Data Table for the appropriate product or contact your District Manager for more complete information and recommendations.
Consult your District Manager for specific pack sizes and product availability.
Universal Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid TYPICAL INSPECTION DATA Super Universal Synthetic ATF SAE
Grade API Gravity Flash Point, °C. Viscosity cSt @100C Viscosity cSt @40C VI Brookfield Viscosity, cP. Pour Point, °C Typical Specifications 0W-20 35.0 190 6.50 29.0 180 <13,000 -51
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03-14-2013, 02:06 PM
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PERFORMANCE APPLICATION CHART
*The chart below lists suitable for use applications
- ATF Type A-Suffix A
- Aisin Warner AW-1, JWS 3309, 3314, 3317, 3324
- Aisin Warner SCS, M315 A-1, T-IV
- Acura ATF-Z1 (VTM-4)
- Allison C-3, C-4, TES-295, TES-389
- Alfa Romeo (all vehicles*)
- American Motors ATF+3(MS7176-E), ATF+4(MS 9602)
- Audi 5HP (18FL,19FL, 24A, 30), 6HP(1375.4), LT71141
- Audi G-055-025-A2 ,G-052-162-A1, A2, G-052-182-A2
- Audi G-052-990-A2
- BMW 83 22 0 397 (114), 83 22 9 400 (272,275)
- BMW Mini 83 22 0 402 413, Mini 83 22 7 542 290
- BMW 83 22 0 403 (248,249),
- BWM 83 22 9 407 (738, 765, 807,858,859)
- BMW 5HP (18FL,19FL, 24A, 30), 6HP(1375.4), LA2634
- BMW ETL-7045E, ETL-8072B, N402, LT71141
- Caterpillar Power Shift TO-2
- Daewoo LT 71141
- Esso LT 71141
- Fiat (all vehicles*), Typo T-IV
- Ford Mercon® (XT-2-QDR,XT-2-QSM syn)
- Ford Mercon® V (XT-5-QM) WSS-M2C-202B
- Ford Mercon® SP (XT-6-QSP) WSS-M2C-919D
- Ford Mercon® LV (XT-10-QLV) WSS-M2C-938A
- Ford WSS-M2C-33-A/B/C/D/F/G, 138-CJ
- Ford WSS-M2C-166-H, 185-A, 195-A, 202-B
- Ford WSS-M2C-922-A1, 924-A (XT-8-QAW)
- Ford/Mazda V (XT-9-QMM5, FNR 5)
- Ford Type-F
- GM Dexron® II, II-E,
- GM Dexron® III, III-G, III-H
- GM Dexron® VI
- GM T-IV
- GM Transfer Fluid 12378515 (Transynd® applications)
- GM Transfer case 12378396
- GM Transfer case 12378508
- Honda ATF-Z1, VTM-4, DW-1, DPF
- Hyundai SP-II, SP- III, SP-IV, NWS-9638
- Idemitsu K17, Jatco 3100 PL085, ATF Red 1
- Infinity, Matic–D, Matic-J, Matic-K, Matic-S
- Isuzu Besco, ATF –II, ATF-III (also see Aisin Warner)
- Jaguar ZF 5HP24, ZF 6HP26, LT71141, JLM20238
- Jaguar M1375.4, ATF 3403 M115, JLM21044
- JASO M315 Type 1-A
- Jatco 3100 PL085
- Jeep ATF+3, ATF+4, AS 68 RC (T-IV)
- JWS 3309, JWS3314, JWS 3317, JWS 3324
- Kia SP-II, SP-III, SP-IV, ATF Red 1 (see JWS)
- Lexus Type T, T-II, T-III, T-IV, WS (JWS 3324)
- MAN 339 A,F, V1, V2, Z1, Z2, Z3
- Mazda ATF-M III, ATF M-3, ATF-MV
- Mazda V (XT-9-QMM5, FNR 5)
- MB236.1,236.2,236.3,236.5,236.6,236.7,236.8/81,236.9
- MB236.10,236.11,236.12 (NAG1/2) 236.14(Sprinter)
- MB 722.3, 722.4, 722.5, 722.6, 722.9
- Mini Cooper T-IV (see also BMW)
- Mitsubishi Diamond SP II, SP III, SP-IV, Dia Queen J2
- Mopar AS 68 RC (T-IV)
- Nissan Matic–D, Matic-J, Matic-K, Matic-S
- Opel 19 40 700, 19 40 707, 19 40 767
- Peugeot ZF 4HP200
- Porsche ZF 5HP19FL, ATF 3403-M115, T-IV
- Renault (all vehicles),
- Renk-Doromat
- SAAB JWS 3309, 93 165 146, 93 165 147
- Saturn T-IV (see also GM)
- Scion (all vehicles*)
- Shell 3403, 3353, LA 2634, M-1375.4, ATF-134
- Subaru ATF, AT-HP
- Suzuki ATF 3309, 3317
- Texaco ETL-7045E, ETL-8072B, N402
- Toyota Type T-II, T-III, T-IV. Type D-2
- Toyota WS (JWS 3324)
- Vickers M-2950-S, I-286-S
- Voith G607 (55.6335.XX) G1363 (55.6336.XX)
- Voith Turbo, ZF, Ecomat
- Voith ZF TE-ML 02F, 03D, 04D, 05L, 09, 11B
- Voith ZF TE-ML 14 A,B,C , 16L, 17C
- Volvo 97340, 97341, 1161521
- Volvo 1161540, 1161640
- Volvo T-IV
- VW 5HP (18FL,19FL, 24A, 30), 6HP(1375.4), LT71141
- VW G-052-162-A1, A2, G-052-182-A2, G-055-025-A2
- VW G-052-533, G-052-990-A2
- VW TL 521 62, TL 52533
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