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Old 11-07-2020, 11:18 PM   #1
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We are looking at a 2021 Newmar Supreme Aire 4051 and comparing to a 2021 Renegade Verona LE 40LRB. The Newmar has a 505 hp engine and the Renegade 350. Also the Newmar has a tandle axle in the rear and the Renegade one axle. With that being said, it appears the Newmar is better but I'm not sure we need the bigger hp. Also, are the two comparible as far a quality? Are we missing any other important items to compare?
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We are looking at a 2021 Newmar Supreme Aire 4051 and comparing to a 2021 Renegade Verona LE 40LRB. The Newmar has a 505 hp engine and the Renegade 350. Also the Newmar has a tandle axle in the rear and the Renegade one axle. With that being said, it appears the Newmar is better but I'm not sure we need the bigger hp. Also, are the two comparible as far a quality? Are we missing any other important items to compare?
I wouldn’t hesitate on the Supreme Aire with those spec choices. Also Newmar quality is at the top of the production coach market.
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A Renegade Classic or XL would be a better comparison (price/feature wise). Classics come either single or tandem. XLs are tandem. Chassis is either M2-112, Cascadia or Volvo. The LE is a M2-106. Lots of ways to mix/match. What dives people to tandem is what they tow. Some of the Renegade racing crew pull trailers over 20k which puts them in the tandem world. If you're not pushing the tow limit a single works fine in the 40 ft range.
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The Supreme Aire 4051 will blow the Verona LE out of the water in your test drives... We looked at the Supreme Aire 4051 and ended up with the Super Star 4051.. Final decision boiled down to us on the difference in cost and the extra slide.. The extra slide in the Supreme Aire adds floor space but you lose a seat with the shorter couch.. so its a trade off.. Good Luck!! The Newmar Super C is a great product... we have test drove every Super C out there and the bar has now been raised by Newmar in this segment in my opinion.
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I have owned a Dynamax on the M2 with 350HP and now have a Haulmark built on a class 8 semi with 515HP. There is really no comparison in the 2.
I would do a very complete test drive of both. More than just the normal 30 minutes around the block. Take it down the highway at speed on a windy day, let some semi's pass you.
Renegade has a good reputation but like one of the prior posts mentioned, check out one of their big ones.
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We went with Renegade over Newmar Super C because of tank capacity. I am just not sure what engineer thought it a good idea to have the fresh water tank capacity be considerably more than the gray and black tanks can hold. Would be very easy to overflow your tanks unless you monitor them closely and stay close to a dump station.
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If you are planning to tow heavy weight the tag axle is worth it’s weight in gold as far as ride and handling. The 350 horse motor can be turned up a lot. If you are just pulling a car flat tow it does not matter . Ride space and budget.
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The 350 horse motor can be turned up a lot.
Care to expand more on that? Any specific tuners/programmers you have experience with relative to the L9?



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If you are planning to tow heavy weight the tag axle is worth it’s weight in gold as far as ride and handling. The 350 horse motor can be turned up a lot. If you are just pulling a car flat tow it does not matter . Ride space and budget.
More important than can HP be increased, is the mated Allison transmission capable of handling the increased HP and torque.
reference: Cummins 2019 transmission specs, MH series is on pg. 15.
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More important than can HP be increased, is the mated Allison transmission capable of handling the increased HP and torque.
reference: Cummins 2019 transmission specs, MH series is on pg. 15.
Essentially the same specs, but these coaches actually utilize the TRV series transmissions (page 41). I was more curious if anyone had personal experience with an aftermarket tuner/programmer that turned the L9 up closer to the 450HP/1250ft-lbs limit of these Allison transmissions...it sounded like Okracer might.
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