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Old 01-20-2014, 12:51 PM   #1
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Brake failure

In early December, we drove our 2005 Fleetwood Bounder from NH to Ft Myers Florida. During the last leg of the trip - from Rainbow Springs State Park in Dunnellon, Florida - I got a brake warning. Stopped and found that the brake reservoir was low. Filled the reservoir and continued to Ft Myers with no problems. The Bounder has been parked for about a month, and I decided to run the motor for a bit. Started it up and got all sorts of warnings that the ABS system and the brake system had failed. Checked the reservoir and it was empty. A bit of investigation revealed that there was a fitting on a power brake hose that was rubbing one of the steel lines from the master cylinder and had rubbed a hole through the line. This is something that came that way from the factory. If you have a W20 or W22 chassis form around 2005, take a look and see if there is a problem. The hose and line are located inside the frame on the driver's side near the front. Note the brown spot on the brake line. There is a hole at that point. The brake line was the rearmost line at the MC. This could have been a huge problem.
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Old 01-20-2014, 01:10 PM   #2
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Thanks for the heads up, I'll check mine today.
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Old 01-23-2014, 12:07 PM   #3
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I believe I'll check mine also!






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Old 01-23-2014, 12:15 PM   #4
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OK, I have 3/4" clearance at that spot.




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Old 01-23-2014, 02:53 PM   #5
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Brake lines

Many Thanks for the info I'll check mine.
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If you have a W20 or W22 chassis form around 2005, take a look and see if there is a problem. The hose and line are located inside the frame on the driver's side near the front. Note the brown spot on the brake line. There is a hole at that point. The brake line was the rearmost line at the MC. This could have been a huge problem.
BluBouder, could you help me out? I guess I'm just not clear where I should be looking for the lines to be rubbing.

Thank you. - RT
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If you look at the picture you can see a hose fitting possibly the AC feeder line fitting rubbing against the brake line. The brake line has a brown spot check your brake lines around this area up front your brake lines maybe all clear from objects that might rub against them.
The chassis nut could possibly cause a problem also.
Your brake lines look pretty clear with the line separators installed.

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If you look at the picture you can see a hose fitting possibly the AC feeder line fitting rubbing against the brake line. The brake line has a brown spot check your brake lines around this area up front your brake lines maybe all clear from objects that might rub against them.
The chassis nut could possibly cause a problem also.
Your brake lines look pretty clear with the line separators installed.

Based on your observation, do I need to be inspecting down towards the bottom of the engine compartment (My picture #3), and would you say that with the line separators, my chassis was a later year model run compared to BluBounder, so maybe the potential problem was already resolved?

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Some what of topic. I need help with a 1994 Pace Arrow/454.
Where in the hell do i service the power steering. My brakes are making alot of noise when applied, power steering is OK.

I have had no luck talking to dealers in this area, I can see the pump below the a/c compressor but no fill port.

Please help, I do not want to ruin a P/S pump.

This is a Hydro Boost System

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I had an 85 I think, and the reservoir I believe was at driver side of radiator. only maybe 8oz can or so. I'd give a good sum for a memory, If I could find the sum.



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My '87 Pace w/454 has the power steering fill under the hood on the drivers side. Brake master cylinder in behind front wheel on drivers side. You need a mirror and long arms to reach it to check the fluid level. Eddie Elk.
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A follow-up to our brake failure problem. I went to the local Camping World to request service and I was pretty unimpressed since the service writer didn't seem to know anything about mechanical stuff. In spite of my suggestion that they pick up a piece of brake line at the local parts store and splice it in, he insisted that they would have to order the part from Workhorse. After 2 weeks they had the parts which had nothing at all to do with my particular problem. A second service writer admitted that they were ill equipped to fix this issue and suggested that I take it to Wallace International which is, as it turned out, the local Workhorse service dealer in Ft Myers, Fl. I paid a visit and made an appointment. They also said they would order parts from Workhorse. Later the same day they called and confirmed the parts were on order. So then the issue became how to get the coach to the repair site. I didn't like the idea of having it towed although I have towing insurance. So, I picked up a piece of 1/4" fuel line and installed a patch with 2 clamps over the hole. Filled it up with brake fluid ( loosened the clamps to let the fluid push out any air in the line) and we seemed to have a decent pedal. The day came and no fluid had been lost so I very tentatively started out - trying the brakes at very slow speeds. Worked just fine and I was able to drive the 10 miles to the shop without any problems. Wallace found that the parts that Workhorse sent were unrelated to the repair and spliced in a piece of ordinary brake line. Excellent workmanship. They tied up all of the power steering hoses that caused the problem and routed the brake lines inside the frame where they belonged ( I had bent the faulty line out in order to install the "Patch"). If you need Workhorse service in Ft Myers I can heartily recommend Wallace International on Edison Ave. Ask for Bubba (really). 239-826-3711
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BluBounder: Excellent follow-up report- glad you got it fixed. If possible, please post a picture of the Wallace-spliced repair. I'm glad to learn that can be done, and want to see it. THANKS.
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As requested, here is a photo of the finished repair. First photo is "before" and the second photo is "after". There is actually a fair amount of clearance between the repaired brake line and the PS hose. There is also good clearance between the other brake line and the chassis bolt/nut. Nothing moves now. The problem was that the fitting on the PS hose was actually in contact with the brake line so that, even though there was very little if any movement, there was enough from vibration to rub a hole.
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