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94-Newmar · 09-26-2010, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RustyJC

Ummm, not any more. That relationship soured with the 6.0L and 6.4L engines - Ford started building their own diesel for 2011.

Rusty

Yes indeed. I've been following some of the 'tuning' forums and websites and the new 6.7L Scorpion Diesel from Ford is one Nasty piece. These Engine tweakers and tuners have already unlocked that engine with minimal hard part replacements, ECM/PCM/TCM tuning and it's making upwards of 650HP/1200lb.ft/tq. Too early to tell how long the 6.7L is going to be around or if there are any inherent issues with it. Hopefully it won't suffer the same demise as the International/Navistar 6.0L did. So far the MaxxForce 7, known as the 6.4L Turbodiesel in the 2008-2010 Ford Pickups seems to be doing ok.. only time will tell!

I still don't understand why International/Navistar couldn't make their tried-tested-and proven DT444 (known as the 7.3L turbodiesel in Ford pickups between 95 and 2002) or the DT466 smog friendly for the EPA. Either of these powerplants were perhaps the best ever manufactured for this purpose along with the Cummins 5.9L or 8.3L as far as reliability is concerned.

az bound · 09-26-2010, 07:23 AM

My question is about gas engines, why did it morph into a discussion about diesel ?

DriVer · 09-26-2010, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by justlou

The 502 and 572 are still in production. Either could be reworked for RV applications.

These engines are not able to be used in RV applications without major expenditures to meet the requirements for 2010 and beyond emission control systems.

DriVer · 09-26-2010, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by az bound

My question is about gas engines, why did it morph into a discussion about diesel ?

I would agree however the only "RV" show right now at Workhorse is the W20D and the W22D. The OEMs that are taking deliveries of these chassis are doing very well.

Navistar is delivering MF7s to Monaco and Tiffin as well so that's working too!

Workhorse has a commercial side that is bolstering production line volumes and I do not expect that the company will fail. If Workhorse receives an order to build something RV/Bus/Commercial/Military they will be able to do it because they are first a custom chassis company.

I'm sure the question as to new gas production will come up at the upcoming Club Rally on Cape Hatteras.

az bound · 09-26-2010, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DriVer

These engines are not able to be used in RV applications without major expenditures to meet the requirements for 2010 and beyond emission control systems.

I knew you would join in here at some point. Thought you might be able to shed some light on the subject of plans at Workhorse going forward.

jdsr · 09-26-2010, 05:18 PM

It looks like ford is going to be in the rv mkt for a long time. They have, and in my opinion have had, a great power plant.Their rv mkt share has got to be over 80% by now, if not more. I believe that those folks who are first time buyers and need the affordability of a gas engine need to be in a price range of a gas engine. There will also be customers that arnt first time buyers who need to be in the price range of a gas. Also the cost to maint a diesel might be to much for alot of people. I looked at a front diesel in mb and after the salesman started it I told him to shut it down and went to other coaches. If Im going to buy a diesel it will be in the back where it's supposed to be. I dont know who made the engine I looked at or who mfg the box but it didnt matter to me after hearing it run from the drivers seat. But as far as gas engines go I think most will be pleasantly surprised at the fords. I think if I were wh I would be looking for some mfg to build me a gas engine.

UFO Pilot · 09-26-2010, 06:35 PM

If the only choice in gas MH's was Ford, I would not buy one. Just my personal opinion.

az bound · 09-26-2010, 06:46 PM

Don't sugar-coat it, tell it like it is.

Whaler · 09-26-2010, 06:55 PM

The Ford V-10 will be gone in a year or two.The Ford and the GM 8.1 can not meet the emission standards the government(EPA) has for gas engines.The only big torque engine left is the Chrysler V-10,and they have stopped production on that,but did not close the plant.Sadly,gasser class A's may be going the way of the dinosaurs!

jdsr · 09-26-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wthomas1

If the only choice in gas MH's was Ford, I would not buy one. Just my personal opinion.

Well if you want to buy another new gas you might be walking if ya dont buy a ford. I've had 2 and loved them. Wished I had bought another one. I guess to each his on.

DriVer · 09-26-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Whaler

Sadly,gasser class A's may be going the way of the dinosaurs!

Whaler, You may be right but let's not loose all hope on gasoline powered Class A motorhomes. Ford said they will be building through 2011 and I believe that they are trying to pursue an LP solution for that engine. LP will burn cleaner however MPGs aren't going to be its strong suit.

UFO Pilot · 09-26-2010, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jdsr

Well if you want to buy another new gas you might be walking if ya dont buy a ford. I've had 2 and loved them. Wished I had bought another one. I guess to each his on.

When and if I decide to replace this RV, I will buy a diesel if the only gas option is Ford.

Full-Timers · 09-26-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DriVer

Whaler, You may be right but let's not loose all hope on gasoline powered Class A motorhomes. Ford said they will be building through 2011 and I believe that they are trying to pursue an LP solution for that engine. LP will burn cleaner however MPGs aren't going to be its strong suit.

Nor will power. I met a fellow that has the exact same motorhome as I however it is dual powered since he travels in England and the US. He runs LPG in England and Gas in the US. He says it lacks a lot of power on LPG.

DriVer · 09-26-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Full-Timers

He says it lacks a lot of power on LPG.

If you look back in the threads here we have seen requests from our British cousins to adapt their Workhorse motorhome to LP use. It seems to be a very popular alternative fuel for the Brits given the amount of room they have to travel in. Great Britain is slightly larger than Minnesota.